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scudrunner13 05-02-2015 11:16 AM

Insight at RAH/S5
 
Well,

Shuttle pilots no longer have to carry flight bags and are ipad only approved this week and a new TA to vote on is seemingly very close according to the union. However, yesterday a company newsletter went out stating that the new 175's that were suppose to go to Shuttle are now going to Republic due to Delta extending the agreement to fly the 145's. How long before Shuttle's EWR base closes and EWR becomes strictly a Republic base?

Bonanzer 05-02-2015 01:03 PM


Originally Posted by scudrunner13 (Post 1872603)
Well,

Shuttle pilots no longer have to carry flight bags and are ipad only approved this week and a new TA to vote on is seemingly very close according to the union. However, yesterday a company newsletter went out stating that the new 175's that were suppose to go to Shuttle are now going to Republic due to Delta extending the agreement to fly the 145's. How long before Shuttle's EWR base closes and EWR becomes strictly a Republic base?

No one will know until the company announces it. Eventually ,with motcp, all bases will be just 170 bases regardless of certificate.

captbiff 05-02-2015 06:13 PM

Here is your answer about how things are at RAH, 80 flights canceled yesterday. 80 happy crews with lost income because we have an old POS contract with no cancellation pay. 56 flights today canceled. We are leading the world in daily cancellations, almost every day. I have to fight with crew pay every paycheck to get paid properly. 15+ years here and i got hosed on the 30th with a $55 paycheck....that covered half of my groceries. Applications have been out for years, and I have had 3 interviews recently, just waiting for the good news.

I beg you all stay far far far away from here.


Live Airline Flight Cancellations Info & Statistics ? FlightAware

MR JT8D 05-02-2015 06:31 PM


Originally Posted by captbiff (Post 1872771)
Here is your answer about how things are at RAH, 80 flights canceled yesterday. 80 happy crews with lost income because we have an old POS contract with no cancellation pay. 56 flights today canceled. We are leading the world in daily cancellations, almost every day. I have to fight with crew pay every paycheck to get paid properly. 15+ years here and i got hosed on the 30th with a $55 paycheck....that covered half of my groceries. Applications have been out for years, and I have had 3 interviews recently, just waiting for the good news.

I beg you all stay far far far away from here.


Live Airline Flight Cancellations Info & Statistics ? FlightAware

That's exactly what you should tell every single pilot that wants to interview there. No contract because of weak ass union menbers who want their number at a major.

If that's what you want, and have no guts to strike, SUFFER!!! And don't complain on websites.

RAH is making a joke out of exploiting pilots. Period.

TalkTurkey 05-02-2015 06:53 PM


Originally Posted by MR JT8D (Post 1872777)
That's exactly what you should tell every single pilot that wants to interview there. No contract because of weak ass union menbers who want their number at a major.

If that's what you want, and have no guts to strike, SUFFER!!! And don't complain on websites.

RAH is making a joke out of exploiting pilots. Period.

Do you really wish that upon a person you've never met? If so, may you suffer a thousandfold. Advocate well-being and recalling of useless union officials in the stead of your hatred bestowed upon people. For eff sakes dude.

WhoCares 05-02-2015 07:29 PM


Originally Posted by TalkTurkey (Post 1872791)
Do you really wish that upon a person you've never met? If so, may you suffer a thousandfold. Advocate well-being and recalling of useless union officials in the stead of your hatred bestowed upon people. For eff sakes dude.

Irony. You are a fine example of it.





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spikemath 05-02-2015 07:29 PM


Originally Posted by captbiff (Post 1872771)
15+ years here and i got hosed]

Been takin that hose for quite a few years. Decent KY? :o

captbiff 05-03-2015 04:28 AM

Spike,

It wasn't a bad place to kill time till something better came along. Things started to go sour in 2005-2006 time frame imo. My health insurance is currently $500 a month now when it was originally $50-70. I know people who were given occurances while on maternity leave/IFMLA. If you call in fatigued and the company don't like your reason they give you an occurance.

I have been actively pursuing other jobs and applying like a madman since 2007-2008 timeframe and haven't been lucky so far.

Loon 05-04-2015 04:21 AM


Originally Posted by Bonanzer (Post 1872642)
No one will know until the company announces it. Eventually ,with motcp, all bases will be just 170 bases regardless of certificate.

Does this mean I'll get 170 pay for flying the 145?

pilot0987 05-04-2015 05:18 AM

Even if you did, payroll still wouldn't get it right.

spikemath 05-04-2015 07:05 AM


Originally Posted by captbiff (Post 1872898)
I have been actively pursuing other jobs and applying like a madman since 2007-2008 timeframe and haven't been lucky so far.

Sorry to hear it, hopefully things turn around for you soon.

captbiff 05-04-2015 11:08 AM

Thanks. Something will come my way soon enough.

Another fun RAH thing regarding payroll... A lot of the check airman are getting overpaid by accident. And the company is demanding they write checks or they'll garnish their next check. One good friend got over paid two checks in a row and he had to pay them back a couple thousand dollars. He showed me his pay stub and I saw it with my own eyes.

We have no contract. The pay sucks. We have no flow to anywhere. Our nonrev travel privileges are below wholly-owned ones. They just recently changed our retiree travel privileges so you have to work longer now.

I have been successful in convincing a few people to not take the offer and go some place else. People are starting to listen because at the FAPA and OBAP job fair they hardly had anyone come talk to them. Those that did were offered a job on the spot....6 I think on day one during the FAPA job fair.

They keep canceling and canceling flights. 50-80 flights a day according to flight aware,

https://flightaware.com/live/cancelled/

82 flights today have been canceled....82 crews with lost pay.

Imagine you just commuted up to say, lga or ord, after a 1 or 2 leg commute to find out your 20 hr four day is now worth 12 hrs. You could have called off and made the same amount of money with your sick time. That has happened to me and a lot of guys I know. Nine times out of ten, crew scheduling never even calls you to notify you of the change, you learn of it by looking at a monitor or the code share partners app.

MR JT8D 05-04-2015 05:09 PM

I can't believe that the RAH pilots took down the website in a good faith gesture. Are you joking??? They'll never get a contract. Period.

TillerEnvy 05-04-2015 05:13 PM


Originally Posted by MR JT8D (Post 1873731)
I can't believe that the RAH pilots took down the website in a good faith gesture. Are you joking??? They'll never get a contract. Period.

No. It'll happen soon. And it'll be good. Still a crappy place to work.

MR JT8D 05-04-2015 05:26 PM

I doubt it. The company will continue to stall. They'll string it along as long as they can, and if/when you guys do get a contract, you'll be screwed out of years of retro pay......

Loon 05-05-2015 04:21 AM


Originally Posted by MR JT8D (Post 1873739)
I doubt it. The company will continue to stall. They'll string it along as long as they can, and if/when you guys do get a contract, you'll be screwed out of years of retro pay......

Retro pay? That's so retro. The gen y ers(millennials??) Whatever they are apparently have no clue what that term means. Most care nothing about even a signing bonus. We're lucky if we see a 5k signing bonus.
Plus, after the current nc update, I am no longer optimistIc about a TA.

MR JT8D 05-05-2015 04:58 PM

There will be no TA no contract. They dont' care, just breaking the backs of exploited pilots as long as they can. Quit and go further with your career. You don't have to work for a regional to get a job at a major today. In fact, sometime s they don't want to take from their own feed. You might have a better chance.

ILovePink 05-05-2015 05:02 PM

Yeah, Republic SUCKS..... I flew for BB's circus back in 2011 and I'm glad to be out. There was no hope for a new contract then and I doubt there is any hope now...

lakehouse 05-05-2015 05:05 PM


Originally Posted by Niggar (Post 1874470)
Yeah, Republic SUCKS..... I flew for BB's circus back in 2011 and I'm glad to be out. There was no hope for a new contract then and I doubt there is any hope now...

Creative user name fella

BrewCity 05-05-2015 05:09 PM

Any new TA would be too late to make an appreciable difference in staffing during this summer (which will be a disaster). Unless the rev pulls something from way out of left field I think they've just about finished digging their grave in Indianapolis.

Drofdeb 05-05-2015 07:20 PM


Originally Posted by Loon (Post 1873896)
Retro pay? That's so retro. The gen y ers(millennials??) Whatever they are apparently have no clue what that term means. Most care nothing about even a signing bonus. We're lucky if we see a 5k signing bonus.
Plus, after the current nc update, I am no longer optimistIc about a TA.

lol. I'll hope for the best :p.....but I think its going to be April 2014 all over again......

Sorry yayairplanes (and all those guys asking about RAH), hope you did not choose RAH....you will be in hell for a looooong time if you did.

MR JT8D 05-06-2015 04:10 AM

Insight at RAH/S5
 

Originally Posted by BrewCity (Post 1874477)
Any new TA would be too late to make an appreciable difference in staffing during this summer (which will be a disaster). Unless the rev pulls something from way out of left field I think they've just about finished digging their grave in Indianapolis.

I agree totally! They dug their own grave with the greed. All the new aircraft in the world can't save them now.

tothebigblue 05-06-2015 04:24 PM

Is RAH/S5 supposed to be getting 175s for united? or a different carrier. Just curiosity...

TillerEnvy 05-06-2015 06:03 PM


Originally Posted by tothebigblue (Post 1875109)
Is RAH/S5 supposed to be getting 175s for united? or a different carrier. Just curiosity...

50 new 175s for UA. Starting in July, I think.

SMACFUM 05-06-2015 07:46 PM


Originally Posted by TillerEnvy (Post 1875179)
50 new 175s for UA. Starting in July, I think.

Seriously...........How in god's name do they expect to staff it? Yesterday Shuttle America had the highest number of canceled flights of any airline IN THE WORLD (according to FlightAware).

Also heard a rumor that Delta has been hanging out in crew scheduling to see what's been going on firsthand for themselves.

tothebigblue 05-07-2015 04:23 AM


Originally Posted by TillerEnvy (Post 1875179)
50 new 175s for UA. Starting in July, I think.

interesting...i really wonder how they will staff them without the pilots :eek:

Systemized 05-07-2015 04:37 AM


Originally Posted by tothebigblue (Post 1875388)
interesting...i really wonder how they will staff them without the pilots :eek:

I believe it's a net gain of around 20 aircraft including the Q400s leaving.

Natca 05-07-2015 04:41 AM

Yes delta management is very aware of staffing issues at 9e and s5.... They do watch it and alter flying based on it. Many Of the lower to middle delta management are previous pilots from these carriers that wuit and went to a nice office gig.

NVUS 05-07-2015 04:51 AM


Originally Posted by SMACFUM (Post 1875253)
Seriously...........How in god's name do they expect to staff it? Yesterday Shuttle America had the highest number of canceled flights of any airline IN THE WORLD (according to FlightAware).

Also heard a rumor that Delta has been hanging out in crew scheduling to see what's been going on firsthand for themselves.

Is Delta helping them crew their United Express flying as well?

snippercr 05-07-2015 06:26 AM

In addition to the 50 175s for united, didnt Delta extend 20 something 145 airplanes? I thought the RAH plan was to shrink the 145 operation to staff the 175s.

PilotCrusader 05-07-2015 06:31 AM

Something is fishy with RAH. It is almost as if they know they are going to lose some flying soon, because they are beefing up way too much on flying they just cannot staff.

Rahlifer 05-07-2015 06:32 AM


Originally Posted by snippercr (Post 1875456)
In addition to the 50 175s for united, didnt Delta extend 20 something 145 airplanes? I thought the RAH plan was to shrink the 145 operation to staff the 175s.

Delta extended the 145 flying for a few more years which completely disrupted the clown show in HQ. The plan was to staff the new flying with displaced 145 pilots. Oops. Anyways, a rumor floating around here is that Mother Delta is doing this on purpose to allow BB to choke on the ashes of this continuing failure which will give Delta the right to immediately terminate the contract. In my limited world view, that seems plausible. Delta is pretty ruthless when dealing with their feeders.

tothebigblue 05-07-2015 06:34 AM


Originally Posted by Rahlifer (Post 1875461)
Delta is pretty ruthless when dealing with their feeders.

Its nothing personal its just business!
If a supplier cannot produce product someone is buying, then its time to find another supplier.

snippercr 05-07-2015 06:37 AM


Originally Posted by Rahlifer (Post 1875461)
Delta extended the 145 flying for a few more years which completely disrupted the clown show in HQ. The plan was to staff the new flying with displaced 145 pilots. Oops. Anyways, a rumor floating around here is that Mother Delta is doing this on purpose to allow BB to choke on the ashes of this continuing failure which will give Delta the right to immediately terminate the contract. In my limited world view, that seems plausible. Delta is pretty ruthless when dealing with their feeders.

Thats what I kind of figured.

PilotCrusader 05-07-2015 06:39 AM


Originally Posted by tothebigblue (Post 1875462)
Its nothing personal its just business!
If a supplier cannot produce product someone is buying, then its time to find another supplier.

"It's just business"

motormadness 05-07-2015 07:22 AM

If anything, the bulk of those new airplanes are for their competition. It'll at least continue to disrupt the United network at the very least. Maybe Delta has reached their breaking point with Republic. But wouldn't it be easier for them to terminate the contract if they just flat-out didn't meet the performance requirements?

NVUS 05-07-2015 07:29 AM


Originally Posted by motormadness (Post 1875492)
If anything, the bulk of those new airplanes are for their competition. It'll at least continue to disrupt the United network at the very least. Maybe Delta has reached their breaking point with Republic. But wouldn't it be easier for them to terminate the contract if they just flat-out didn't meet the performance requirements?

Competition? Like SkyWest, who has another 143 E-175s on order, and 200 more options? Maybe I understood the context wrong but you make it sound like Republic is gobbling up contracts to keep the competition at bay. If they can't have it, no one can have it.

motormadness 05-07-2015 07:36 AM


Originally Posted by NVUS (Post 1875499)
Competition? Like SkyWest, who has another 143 E-175s on order, and 200 more options? Maybe I understood the context wrong but you make it sound like Republic is gobbling up contracts to keep the competition at bay. If they can't have it, no one can have it.

Not their competition on a regional level. Remember, Republic has 50 new planes (net gain of 20) coming for United. There are like 6 new ones coming for Delta. By Delta extending the 145's until 2020+, that ruins BB's staffing strategy. If the bulk of the new flying is coming for United, by Delta stepping in, most of that additional flying will be a colossal failure.

You need to take a step back and think outside of the SkyWest cult :D

NVUS 05-07-2015 07:39 AM


Originally Posted by motormadness (Post 1875503)
Not their competition on a regional level. Remember, Republic has 50 new planes (net gain of 20) coming for United. There are like 6 new ones coming for Delta. By Delta extending the 145's until 2020+, that ruins BB's staffing strategy. If the bulk of the new flying is coming for United, by Delta stepping in, most of that additional flying will be a colossal failure.

You need to take a step back and think outside of the SkyWest cult :D

I get it now. Sorry. But I believe Delta is also putting themselves in a bind in the process.

motormadness 05-07-2015 07:41 AM


Originally Posted by NVUS (Post 1875505)
I get it now. Sorry. But I believe Delta is also putting themselves in a bind in the process.

I think it's more of a "if we're not happy, you won't be happy", as in both DL and UA being upset. I would say that Delta is more sensitive to performance, or lack of.


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