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Stop being a flamebaiting DB. Its time to let all this stuff go, if the Envoy guys want to keep flinging poo thats their problem but all PSA guys need to start ignoring them including myself. Envoy isn't going to furlough or downgrade, the future actually looks bright for all three wholly own carriers and any prospective pilot is in a good spot going to all three despite what the current SSP language is at PSA or current upgrade time at Envoy. I wish I was 23 yrs old again in this hiring environment. Don't go down that road, its better to look ahead and focus our energy on making AA and all three regionals better so we can attract the ever decreasing supply of pilots or getting hired by another major. The stupid flamebaiting only makes us all look bad. Everyone has made thier point hundreds of times......let it go. There is good news on the horizon for all of us.

I know 15 got awarded upgrade with the last vacancy/displacement, but to keep up with the numbers cujo keeps lying about they'd already have to publish a July vacancy bid with 35 captains in it to get the ball rolling ..

My UAL class (Feb '15) had four military pilots out of 21 new-hires. One of the four had significant civilian time (XJT Capt). Three non-military had zero TPIC. Lots of Execjet pilots being hired.

Aw jeez..........and just when I was getting cozy with "frosty tips". :o

No worries............"Thrustlever" has got more panache so your continued use is approved ! :)

Maybe they'll do 125 each in November and December ? :rolleyes:

Enough is enough. 6 threads in as many days. Get a life guys. Or don't, I don't care. I'm enjoying mine and not reading the forum much. I'm sitting here eating carrot cake because tomorrow is my birthday. I don't particularly like carrot cake, but ever since I was a kid, I've always asked for it because no one else likes it and that means more for me (fat kid strategy).

Anyway, I'm spending my free time signing up for classes to finish my AS and looking at investment real estate properties. My wife is about to start back to school and we are just finishing up a home remodel I started last year. I'm not telling you any of this to brag or to make myself sound like something I'm not, rather, I'm telling you this so that you see there is much more to life than flying an airplane. Flying an airplane isn't something I absolutely love to do (although it does have its moments). It's what I do to help provide me the things I like to do outside of work. Time with my family, hobbies, traveling.

I didn't come to PSA for the "quick upgrade" and to be honest, that could change tomorrow and I'd still be here. I came here for the CLT base, and I have stayed because of those I've met in my short time here. The camaraderie and teamwork that was exhibited by my class was something I've never really heard of or seen before in any 121 training program. I'd feel fortunate to experience that kind of thing somewhere else. No airline is perfect, make no mistake. But PSA is far from the worst. I have friends or aquatinces at most regional airlines out there. Most would recommend not coming to their airline, or they have an uncertain future. PSA's growth is about the most sure thing you will find in this industry. The truth of it is, everything could change tomorrow. Another 9/11 or the market tanking could change the game again. Which is why it is important to seize the moment that exists now at PSA. If your on the fence about a direct-entry CA position, don't wait long. If your thinking about coming on as a new-hire FO and you only have 1500 hours, this is a great place to be with continuous growth for the next 3 years. Don't listen to a lot of the naysayers. They don't know our contract and they have a very clear agenda for steering you away from this airline. I'm not naive, the company has its problems. But our problems pale in comparison to those faced by other regional airlines at the moment.

Some of you guys need to get off the daggum computer and go outside or something. Go for a walk, call your wife/kids, make use of your free time and start something productive in your life.

Then I feel sorry for you. You must be miserable not being able to make a living doing what you absolutely love to do. I am so thankful I can, and do.


In your opinion. And for you, that's fine. But don't presume to believe your thoughts and feelings are or should be someone else's, as you do here. The rest of us do have lives of our own, thank you very much, and we will live them as we individually see fit to live them, not you.

Btw, happy birthday. Try getting the cake you really want this time around the calendar. More isn't always "better".

But that's just it... I do get to do the things I love to do. And just because I'm not absolutely in love with flying and I don't romanticize it anymore, doesn't mean I don't enjoy my job and meet each day with professionalism and a positive attitude. There are just other things I enjoy more than flying. And I wouldn't want to do them for a job, because then they probably wouldn't be as much fun. See where I'm going with this?

And the carrot cake thing was an attempt at humor... I suppose it was a feeble attempt. But thank you all the same.

If flying is your entire life and your only source of joy, then I do feel sorry for you. There is so much more to life. Anyway, I hope you find your joy and fulfillment in this. And I hope one day you can look back and laugh about all this. Don't take life so serious, spoiler alert... none of us get out alive.

I would agree with you. If.

I have yet to come across such a person, however. And I've traveled all over the world. I hear they exist, just never met one. I've come to believe such a person is a rhetorical unicorn summoned to justify someone's opinion and beliefs about something, whether flying or some other endeavor, usually to justify their own (misplaced) sense of superiority.

No. I don't. Having fun (ie. flying) is my job, and I get paid for it. Doesn't sound like you can get paid for doing what you love most. That sucks.

Agree to disagree? I don't know you and you don't know me, let's leave it at that.

Of course. No hard feelings. Blue skies!

What makes you think she would be interested in you!?

This is the reality that becomes of the regional model. Changing the minimums won't do squat. Chasing regionals is the worst idea. A perpetual precipice that maintains substandard wages. The greed of the individual will never subside. Fair enough. But don't complain at what will happen to those whom have laterally elected. Conversely, find some positive light in that all things happen for a reason. Blah

omg **** already!!! We get it, you hate PSA. Feel better about yourself now? While you're *****ing and moaning, other people are getting their PIC time after 6 months and getting the hell out to fly for a major airline. What are you doing in the meantime? You're obsessing over a regional airline. Get a life dude

Are they? So you know people who have gotten to get PIC time by uograding in less than 6 months and have already moved on to the majors? Ooookay

I meant to say they're getting PIC time which will eventually bring them closer to getting a job at the majors while you people still cry over a game you simply can't win. Expressjet voted no and what happened? They started parking airplanes and everyone started moving back on the seniority list. You can't win this game, the house always wins, haven't you learned this by now? I know it makes you feel like you have a big d*** voting "against the establishment" but you can't win, so be smart and play along, get your time and get out.

Go on, whine a little more. Maybe you can create another anti-PSA thread. You people are ridiculous beyond belief it blows my mind. Really APC?

Exactly. These people thinking they will get quick PIC and move on like magic are freaking clueless to reality of major airline hiring. Thousands of regional pilots with 5x as many hours + TPIC, multiple type ratings, many more years of experience, line check airmen with stacks of recs are out there still waiting for those "major" phone calls.

UAL recruiter told me 8000 hrs was what is competitive right now.. People get in with less but not many..

Only those who are ex-militery IP and "have a buddy" at mainline.

There are better places to be than a regional while waiting for that phone call. Flying big iron for a freight company, be it a 767, MD10,11, etc. Buck the system, be different, or know the right people. Most people do nothing to stand out, and those people will alwaya be a part of the 10,000 clones waiting for the phone call that never comes

^^^^^^^^^^^^^Post of the day. Well said!^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Dude you are obsessed with psa....let it go


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