Ya really. I got on here to see if anyone had any idea of what was going on and had to sift through 5 pages of the same arguments about the past from the usual people.

As far as the meeting, it sure does feel different than any past attempt to get negotiations going again. And it sure has been quiet here for the last 6-12 months or so. Feels like somethings going down.

But per the usual, after the meeting I'm sure we will get an update that says they had a productive chat, were able to get a better understanding of each others positions, that they enjoyed listening to Brad tell some anecdotes about Confucius and Sun Tzu and that they have laid the groundwork for future meetings 6 months from now blah blah blah.

I'll take a humble stab at it:

Either management has reached a point in retiring aircraft that getting rid of more planes would mean losing profitable flying, and/or shareholders are beginning to raise their eyebrows.

Timing:

The recruitment effort has been building steam, and a new contract with favorable starting wages is needed to attract new talent. This comes at a time when our competitors are having to cancel a substantial amount of flights due to staffing issues. I think it is the perfect time for new CPAs to start to become more lucrative, and that we pilots might start to see some of the benefits of the pilot shortage at the regional level.

Terms of the offer:

As far as wages, the number I have heard is 3% which I don't think is enough to convince the pilot group to vote yes, so I'm optimistic that the number is higher. 401k would have to be better than the TA in order to earn a yes vote from the LXJT folks, so I'm thinking more than a 5% match. Since the letter from A and B said they wished to "keep it simple" I will assume that the work rules will be similar to what we have now. I am an optimist, and I'm excited to see what they have to offer. We need some good news to lift the pilot groups.

Hopefully this will get this thread back on track.

Revisionist history? I posted the letter that proved what happened. We got whipsawed by Skywest pilots lower compensation. They asked for concessions and we're going to take some of the 145s for themselves while they offered 750 furloughed pilots preferential interviews. Obviously xjt was NOT on its last leg as xjt went on for more than 2 years after that. Every quarter the losses shrunk. Xjt got flying for UAL and were about to get the U.S. air flying in phx until Skywest nixed that and took it for themselves after they bought xjt. As for Skywest employees subsidizing anything other than your own low total compensation, unless you took a concession, you haven't subsidized or given anything up to anyone. In fact, the cash on hand at xjt when Skywest bought xjt has been the actual subsidy. Which is why they haven't been in an urgent hurry from day one to get this merger finalized. It's you who are trying to revise history. I had a front seat on all this and this is how it went down. And the fact that you blame pilots for our supposed stubbornness is telling and typical of Skywest people. We voted down concessions but we haven't said no to anything else they proposed to us that has improved things, albeit marginally. And the erj side has been negotiating implementation of PBS before a JCBA. If that's not a show of goodwill I don't know what will convince you Skywest people that none of this is the pilots' doing.

Nevets,

I used to be a skeptic about your view of Inc's history with LXJT. It's apparent to me now, especially with the facts you've provided, Inc is on the hook for this. Someone at INC didn't do their due diligence. J Ralph Atkin has now "retired" from the Board, and Brad Rich is gone as well. I wonder if these 2 previous Board members were the ones so bullish on the purchase? I have no idea, but you're absolutely right. INC broke it, bought it, then somehow expected its pilots to finance it. All the money losing "contracts" that LXJT has is a joke. It's designed that way specifically so mgmt can point and say, "WE'RE LOSING MONEY, WE CAN'T AFFORD TO PAY YOU."

AnchorDown

When you use phrases such as "you Skywes people and typical of Skywest people" you sound angry at the employees. Are you Angry at every person who works at Skywest airlines just a question.

No, it was in reference to the few people here that always seem to post bs about xjt pilots being stubborn and that's why the airlines has the problems it has. When it's the farthest thing from the truth! We try to be reasonable. We want ALL of us to be pulling in the same direction for ONE airline instead of being pitted against each other so that they can make a few more million off of all of us. I have lots of friends that were or still are employed by Skywest and they are all really good people. I have never had a conversation with any Skywest pilots that wasn't pleasant. As individuals you guys seem to be great but I'll admit, collectively "you Skywest people" are not helping anyone by not certifying SAPA is your nmb recognized bargaining agent. After today, you will be the last pilot group that isn't Union (I'm not counting obscure airlines). For example, there are dozens of ALPA pilots in DC right now, today, lobbying congress as a pushback from the RAA against the ATP rule. Where are the Skywest pilots? You guys are purposely ABSENT from helping out and instead seem to revel in the coat tail riding. Our situation reminds me of the prison in which the warden has their favorite prisoner and gives him special privileges while punishing the others. And all the favored prisoner does is smile and nod because he doesn't want to rock the boat and lose what little scraps he gets from the warden. So even though I feel you have a role to play, the only one I take it personal from is from our own CEO. It's his unethical and immoral business model that has put his own employees to compete against each other rather than work together.

In a nutshell, you're either with Nevets or against him.

So basically if you ain't Union you ain't......

So, what was the outcome of the meeting, does anyone know?