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06-23-2015, 08:36 PM
#42
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Posts: 828
Originally Posted by JustMELit
But if the Majors are looking at a guy with PIC time vs a guy without who do you think they will go with?
Never settle for the minimum criteria, exceed it as best you can.
Never settle for the minimum criteria, exceed it as best you can.
06-23-2015, 08:43 PM
#43
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Joined APC: Nov 2014
Posts: 233
Originally Posted by Hou757
Neither Envoy or XJT are going away. Upgrade is slow, that I agree with!
Sorry but PIC time is not worth what it used to be. Senior FO's are getting hired at all of the majors with little or no PIC time. Only Southwest requires PIC that I'm aware of.
Many in this career have chosen a crappy airline based on upgrade time only to be hosed by getting stuck there. Pick somewhere that you can be happy at if you have to spend many years there. Look at history. 9-11, Age 65, 2008 market crash. Many furloughed from growing carriers during each of these events. I can't imagine being stuck at a place like Mesa on FO pay and work rules. Go somewhere that will allow you to build time but a place that you can be happy if plans don't work out!
Again, I wish this person the best in their decision!!
Sorry but PIC time is not worth what it used to be. Senior FO's are getting hired at all of the majors with little or no PIC time. Only Southwest requires PIC that I'm aware of.
Many in this career have chosen a crappy airline based on upgrade time only to be hosed by getting stuck there. Pick somewhere that you can be happy at if you have to spend many years there. Look at history. 9-11, Age 65, 2008 market crash. Many furloughed from growing carriers during each of these events. I can't imagine being stuck at a place like Mesa on FO pay and work rules. Go somewhere that will allow you to build time but a place that you can be happy if plans don't work out!
Again, I wish this person the best in their decision!!
Being stuck at the bottom of the list at a stagnant airline on enternal reserve, no matter how good the contract may be, isn't fun for anyone.
Unless you live in the most junior base at said stagnant airline, you're better off taking a hit as far as the contract goes to hold a line and have some people below you on the seniority list. Having some seniority with a crappy contract outweighs being at the bottom of the list with a great contract as far as QOL goes.
06-23-2015, 09:20 PM
#44
Line Holder
Joined APC: Jun 2015
Posts: 25
Originally Posted by Hou757
Not true. If that were the case then United, Delta etc.. would not have hired any FO's without PIC..
It's like taking honor classes. Do you NEED it? No. Will it look better and help your chances. Of course.
Last edited by JustMELit; 06-23-2015 at 09:31 PM.
06-23-2015, 09:50 PM
#45
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Joined APC: Mar 2014
Posts: 787
Originally Posted by Tsuda
If you come to Envoy, you will have to commute on your day off. Envoy now automatically assigns the 0400hrs RAP to your first day of reserve. I believe the senior management is lying to us. Beware of Envoy.
**Edit:
I'm deleting part of my original post off the public forum and sending you a PM instead.
Last edited by Skyvector; 06-23-2015 at 10:11 PM.
06-27-2015, 08:44 AM
#49
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Joined APC: Dec 2011
Posts: 6
I live near IAH. I just flew with a captain who worked at Mesa before working at SkyWest. He said that after two years of Mesa he was senior enough to upgrade. The problem was that he hated it there so bad that he chose to leave. He said that it was a really negative atmosphere all the time. Now years later he's a IAH SkyWest captain. Just thought I'd throw that out there. The quick upgrade wont last, but even if it did, what use is it if you hate your life at Mesa? SkyWest has beed pretty fair to me. I get ****ed at things they do sometimes, but I'd rather be here than any other regional.
06-27-2015, 09:41 AM
#50
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Originally Posted by stickandmutter
I live near IAH. I just flew with a captain who worked at Mesa before working at SkyWest. He said that after two years of Mesa he was senior enough to upgrade. The problem was that he hated it there so bad that he chose to leave. He said that it was a really negative atmosphere all the time. Now years later he's a IAH SkyWest captain. Just thought I'd throw that out there. The quick upgrade wont last, but even if it did, what use is it if you hate your life at Mesa? SkyWest has beed pretty fair to me. I get ****ed at things they do sometimes, but I'd rather be here than any other regional.
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