Lateral move
 

Hey all. I currently work for GoJet. Long story short it really sucks. I am very heavily considering leaving for another regional. Surprise surprise, the recruiter and friends here lied. It's an abusive company. Trying to find an airline with a base in DFW, ATL, IAH or DEN. Any insight on such a place other than Mesa or Expressjet. Typed and current in the CRJ.


If you turn this into a pointless bashing thread, Jesus will be upset.

What does that leave????? PSA?

Would help to know you career goals and how much if any TPIC you have, and where you want to live.

Also...if ever asked (especially by a major airline!) why you made a lateral move don't tell them that your employer at the time sucked (even though it's likely true). Tell them you needed to make a geographic change, faster upgrade opportunity, or something tangible. Ie, it's OK to make a change for a specific and logical reason, but not OK to be disgruntled or complain about a past employer.

I would like to work at United. That's my final goal. I wouldn't complain about a former employer, I can make something up. I have about 400 TPIC. I'm a commuter, I own a home and have no intentions of leaving said home. Just a one hop commute

Seems to me that would leave Skywest in Denver or Envoy in Dallas.

I know its still Hulas but TSA with a DEN base?

I've put a lot of thought towards those two. Envoy would be my preference

On the united webinar the other day, one of the FAQs was about lateral moves. They said they don't recommend it. I forget how he worded it, but he said in a way that it showed poor decision making because you were disrupting you and your family's life. Also, they generally don't work out well. (Chasing the PIC time that is) I'm sure it's not something that'll ultimately disqualify you from UAL, but something to think about. Keep in mind, though, the FAQ was mostly geared toward people chasing the left seat. Your situation seems a bit different.

Definitely not chasing the left seat. I've got TPIC time. Just looking to change my QOL and ultimately have more family time (which is how I measure QOL).

Understandable! You could always make the argument you did it for you and your family too. If the question even came up anyway.

Skywest is giving a $7500 hiring bonus to CRJ typed pilots. Worth taking a look.

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I attended the exact same webinar this week as you did. What the Director of Pilot Recruitment said was United does not have any problem with pilots job hopping in search of PIC time. He did say the only problem he would have with it is if it impacted things such as your family life.

I recommend you listen to the webinar again, it will be released as a recording from alpa.

This website is filled with misinformation and fud.

And you could stay in DEN.

I'm so sick and tired of all this bull**** about how to get hired with major airlines. Don't make a lateral move because it shows poor decision making? Are you *($%^ kidding me? People have lives. If the company they selected doesn't work out for them then they should be able to do whatever they want to do. Maybe you have to play the game, but I'm so sick and tired of hearing all these "rules" about how to get on with mainline.

I'm tired of the regional game myself, and if a mainline carrier doesn't want to hire me because I made a lateral move at one point in my career than so be it. I only get one chance in life and I want to enjoy it. I'm not going to spend it worrying about what some HR rep at an airline thinks.

I agree with you! That's just what he said. And that's only UAL. I've heard that AAL looks for career progression. So a lateral move may look good to AA.
I'm a FOever FO and have thought about a lateral move many times. I just thought it was an interesting comment and worth sharing. But ultimately, you're damned if you do, damned if you don't.

That's not what he said. He said exactly the opposite. It couldn't be more opposite than what you said.

I don't live in Denver any longer. But anyhow, Skywest may be worth looking into. And they do have an IAH base. Any word on how senior it is?

Psa doesn't have a base from his list


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From date of hire, you could be Houston based in 4 months. Most junior Houston pilot at Skywest is a 23 Feb hire. Date of hire would be considered your first day of Indoc.

Out of the 14 bases at Skywest, IAH is probably #5 most junior on the CRJ.

Anything is better than gojet. So in retrospect it wouldn't be consider a lateral move, it would be a move up!

The United head of hiring was on a webinar yesterday highly discouraging a lateral move.

My comment wasn't directed at you personally, sorry if it came off that way. I'm just tired of hearing all the "Secrets" on how to get hired. I know people personally who have applied and gotten hired with zero job fairs and a LOR, and were lucky enough to have a CP on their jumpseat, I've heard of others picked up with zero PIC time and a job fair. Then I know captains that are LCAs, in good standing with the company, have attended 3 job fairs and have 10 letters of rec and they don't hear a peep. I honestly think it's a crapshoot no matter what you do, so I've given up on playing the game. I'd rather spend my money and time on things I enjoy rather than on job fairs.

It seems like with some of these airlines, you needed to come out of the womb working on taking the right steps to getting hired. A major airline job is an excellent career, but I'm not going to waste years of my life with tunnel vision focused on a major, while the rest of my life passes by.

I attended the Tuesday session. This same question was posed and the response was it's no big deal. Sounds like you are saying the Wednesday session it became a huge disqualifying problem.

Tuesday evening response was it is "discouraged", not recommended and don't disrupt your family for it basically.

However, same discussion mentione PIC time is important, but don't chase it!!

I guess it's left to individual interpretation...

FWIW someone from my class at SkyWest came over from Envoy. I have friends at Envoy and another is considering coming over to SkyWest. I believe you can still get the bonus if your type is current. Good luck, whatever you choose.

Edit: I'll also add one of my Envoy friends has been on reserve over two years now. I got a line two months after IOE.

LOL! So someone disconnected from the reality of what regional pilots face says that what you are doing is disrupting your family? Tell that to a Comair guy who stuck out to the last day. Or the thousand+ Envoy/Endeavor guys that have left and many with lateral moves.

I am a 4 year FO at Envoy, feel free to PM me with questions. I will tell you the good bad and the ugly of coming here.

Thanks for the insight. That'll make the decision that much easier. How are reserve times?

I wouldn't worry about it chances are his interpretation of what was said in incorrect. The full webinar will be released for download.

Best. Intro. Ever.

2 other people backed up what was said. You probably listened on a different day, kid.

Were going to find out shortly.

Why do you always have to try to be right all the time? All you're doing is discrediting any other advice you give out.
Is this personal or something? Did you make a lateral move and now you're worried? I don't understand you.

Would you consider going to TSA? Still under the same holding company but I havent heard bad things about it too much.

No not at all. In the session I listened to the director of recruiting for United said job switching to acquire pic time had no bearing on United's hiring decision. He did caution that they don't encourage it if it would cause family instability. It's that simple. In your interpretation it seems like you are saying United doesn't approve when that is not the case.

Again, the webinar will be published so we will know for sure soon enough. I want clarification THAT'S ALL.

Uncle Hulas doesn't allow moving from one certificate to another....

Waiiit a minute....according to the Gojet pumpers like Goldenjet and bernoulli its all puppies and rainbows at Blowjet and everyone is happy as punch to be there...

But on a side note, PSA is hiring street Captians and several Blowjet refugees have landed there and are pretty happy....

Oh that's ironic.

I've got 3 types, don't want to add another. And it can't happen unless I quit before I apply.

I'm going to wait to see what the August schedule has in store for me. Just want to be extremely informed before I make a jump