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Originally Posted by PotatoChip
(Post 1942289)
A lot of you are missing the point. Just because there will always be a need for smaller airplanes and small city destinations does NOT mean there will be a need for a regional airline.
Instead of a contracted regional partner, the legacies can have RJs, turboprops, smaller airplanes in their own fleet. One interview, one career job. That's the way I hope to see it go in the future. There will not be a need for a third party contracted feed. |
Originally Posted by FirstClass
(Post 1942316)
High mainline pay only exists because regional pilots are paid so low. Mainline pilots sold scope in exchange for high pay.
Knowing history is your friend. |
Scope was sold to keep the pensions going, oops!
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Originally Posted by use2fly
(Post 1941920)
Yes, and they will still be underpaid.
Ask a 23 year old 1,500 hour pilot where he wants to start at. They will pick a regional that has a quick flow or seniority number given out, over a quick upgrade at some other regional. |
Originally Posted by PotatoChip
(Post 1942318)
Really? Tell me again how pilots were poorly paid in the 60's, 70's and 80's.
Knowing history is your friend. |
Originally Posted by PotatoChip
(Post 1942318)
Really? Tell me again how pilots were poorly paid in the 60's, 70's and 80's.
Knowing history is your friend. |
Originally Posted by Death2Daleks
(Post 1942596)
Have you heard of deregulation? Frank Lorenzo? Eastern?
However, Pan Am, TWA, American, United pilots were paid handsomely without any real regionals. Point is, regional pilots' low pay is not the reason mainline pilots get paid well. Saying that is ignorant. |
Originally Posted by Saabless
(Post 1942351)
Legacy carriers with wholly owned regionals will thrive. They will have a pipeline of people signing up with them because of their quick flow throughs in the near future. Maybe seniority numbers give out, if things get tight. New hire regional FOs will flow within 4 or 5 years due to retirement numbers. People will always go to a regional that has a quick flow through to a major. Envoy will be the first "place to go to" once things spool up. Majors without flow throughs will have a tough time attracting new hires for their regionals. Therefore affecting their regional reliability.
Ask a 23 year old 1,500 hour pilot where he wants to start at. They will pick a regional that has a quick flow or seniority number given out, over a quick upgrade at some other regional. |
Originally Posted by PotatoChip
(Post 1942806)
Of course. There were some hits in there no question. And many strikes in order to maintain that pay.
However, Pan Am, TWA, American, United pilots were paid handsomely without any real regionals. Point is, regional pilots' low pay is not the reason mainline pilots get paid well. Saying that is ignorant. I would agree with you. Look at Southwest, for example. |
It really makes little sense to pay all these regional management types, associated overheads with running a 2nd company, and having to interview twice thus twice the training cost and time spent getting bodies in a seat. Negotiate pay rates for "regional" size planes at mainline if pay is really that big of a deal and combine the two. They'd solve their pilot shortage instantly.
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