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United Express pilot drama
Anyone have any details on this?
DALLAS (AP) -- A weekend flight on United Express was delayed for five hours in Lubbock, Texas, after the pilots got into a "disagreement" and were unavailable to fly the plane, according to the airline. A spokesman for ExpressJet, the regional carrier that operated the plane, said Monday reports indicated that police were called. Airport police did not immediately respond to messages seeking comment. Flight 4453 to Houston was "delayed due to crew availability," said the ExpressJet spokesman, Jarek Beem. "There was a disagreement among crew members. There was no fight ... there was no physical altercation thankfully." |
Probably either jacked the other guys hair gel or hacked his Justin Bieber down loads...
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Bet the plane got fixed during that 5 hours.
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Originally Posted by Airhoss
(Post 1976576)
Probably either jacked the other guys hair gel or hacked his Justin Bieber down loads...
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Ha. My guess it was over the mainline jumpseater getting bumped.
If "no physical altercation" is the new standard for which to be "thankful" for regarding the cockpit crew's behavior (according to the spokesman), they have reached a new low. |
Found this on the "View From the Wing" blog.
A blog reader who was a passenger on the flight emails to share some insight: Pilot was coming in 10 knots faster then he should have been [on arrival into Lubbock], co-pilot then radioed tower and told them, which started argument in cockpit as they landed.
Co-pilot and pilot [disembarked], we all boarded and were seated. The fight attendant proceeded with her preparation, she then announced that due to a disagreement between pilot and copilot she felt it was unsafe to fly with them, she felt our captain was unstable as did our copilot and for our protection we needed to disembark. As I was going up the jet way [to get off the plane] our captain comes running down the jet way yelling “who told us to get off.” I was out of jet way but I could her him yelling at our flight attendant, we all waited by ticket agent stand as the last customer came out the door was closed, and 5 minutes later police arrived. Flight attendant and co-pilot were afraid captain would do something that would put us in danger and they took a stand. We all thanked our flight attendant and the co-pilot for looking out for us. |
Of course, the exact opposite, or something completely different could be true also. Gotta love the web, once Entered, it must be accurate!
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Originally Posted by oldmako
(Post 1976624)
Of course, the exact opposite, or something completely different could be true also. Gotta love the web, once Entered, it must be accurate!
Amazing how as pilots, we all know there is ALWAYS more to the story than what gets reported right away. Especially on the fancy/fangled interwebz and the 24 hour news cycle, combined with a slow news day. And that many of us know that it's not till investigating is done that the REAL story comes out. Yet many of the same pilots pilots are so quick to take the initial story at face value and go with it. |
"Pilot was coming in 10 knots faster then he should have been [on arrival into Lubbock], co-pilot then radioed tower and told them, which started argument in cockpit as they landed."
I'd believe the scenario where the FO said go around for missing the gate criteria, the CA did not go around, and now you've got an issue. |
On the 727, if you weren't coming in 10 knots fast, you had an issue.
The good old days.:) |
Originally Posted by APC225
(Post 1976632)
"Pilot was coming in 10 knots faster then he should have been [on arrival into Lubbock], co-pilot then radioed tower and told them, which started argument in cockpit as they landed."
I'd believe the scenario where the FO said go around for missing the gate criteria, the CA did not go around, and now you've got an issue. |
Originally Posted by APC225
(Post 1976632)
"Pilot was coming in 10 knots faster then he should have been [on arrival into Lubbock], co-pilot then radioed tower and told them, which started argument in cockpit as they landed."
I'd believe the scenario where the FO said go around for missing the gate criteria, the CA did not go around, and now you've got an issue. Especially from a "blog" reader. |
Originally Posted by oldmako
(Post 1976624)
Of course, the exact opposite, or something completely different could be true also. Gotta love the web, once Entered, it must be accurate!
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Originally Posted by John Carr
(Post 1976637)
Assuming what you read was true............
Especially from a "blog" reader. |
Originally Posted by John Carr
(Post 1976637)
Assuming what you read was true............
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Originally Posted by oldmako
(Post 1976634)
On the 727, if you weren't coming in 10 knots fast, you had an issue.
The good old days.:) Maybe some suit behind a desk wrote in their manual that if you are +10 go around. |
Originally Posted by APC225
(Post 1976642)
Oh yea, lots of assumptions. But when the spokesman talks about a pilot altercation but short of fisticuffs without any other details, they invite that.
A spokesman for ExpressJet, the regional carrier that operated the plane, said Monday reports indicated that police were called. Airport police did not immediately respond to messages seeking comment. Who can ACTUALLY validate that it EVER got close to "fisticuffs"? ALL you have is this; There was no fight ... there was no physical altercation thankfully I'm NOT defending ANYTHING that happened. Simply pointing out how dumbed down society (NOT YOU) has become for taking things on the internwtz and face value. |
Originally Posted by DCA A321 FO
(Post 1976647)
On the DC-9 you added 10 for the wife, 10 for the ex wife, and 10 for the kids.
Maybe some suit behind a desk wrote in their manual that if you are +10 go around. |
Originally Posted by John Carr
(Post 1976648)
Assumptions, all too true.
But sadly, you can get the police called to a plane for just about ANYTHING. Who can ACTUALLY validate that it EVER got close to "fisticuffs"? ALL you have is this; AGAIN, pilots can be a funny breed....... I'm NOT defending ANYTHING that happened. Simply pointing out how dumbed down society (NOT YOU) has become for taking things on the internwtz and face value. |
Originally Posted by AxlF16
(Post 1976651)
I read it as 10knots over the stabilized approach criteria. Of course I'm only speculating:D
So maybe target +20? I would have said, "yo bro, you mind slowing down," but that's just me. Obviously there is more to this story. https://www.globalair.com/dtpp/globalair_00241ad.pdf |
Originally Posted by APC225
(Post 1976689)
All true. But a couple of key points are beyond the usual assumptions. The official spokesman mentioned the police being called and made the reference to (not) physical altercation. Neither were necessary comments. Really bad spokesman at the very least, trying for damage control at best.
But again, NOT all the facts are out. "(not) physical altercation" could simply be the spokesperson dispelling that it got ANYWHERE near, we simply DON'T KNOW. Best not to assume...... But I'm pretty sure you've been in this game a while. And ESPECIALLY in a post 9/11 environment, the cops can come for virtually NOTHING. Seen it all too many times. As far as a "witness" or a "blogger" is concerned, it's like this; "witnesses said they heard the jet's engines sputtering right before impact....." "passengers said it was worst turbulence they've ever encountered, and they must have lost 10,000ft after hitting the air pocket....." |
Originally Posted by DCA A321 FO
(Post 1976710)
So maybe target +20? I would have said, "yo bro, you mind slowing down," but that's just me. Obviously there is more to this story.
https://www.globalair.com/dtpp/globalair_00241ad.pdf |
Originally Posted by AxlF16
(Post 1976718)
To be precise, at 1000' I would've said "xx knots fast", then at 500' I would've simply said "Go around, Airspeed". Unstable is unstable.
Hopefully the FO just walked off while dialing the MOD, nothing to be gained by engaging a dude who "declines" a go-around call. |
Originally Posted by rickair7777
(Post 1976725)
What if he doesn't go around? Classic interview dilemma...and the solution is key the mike and tell tower you're going around. Now if CA Energy State continues the approach and LDG at that point you've got a problem...I can see how that would result in a personality conflict.
Hopefully the FO just walked off while dialing the MOD, nothing to be gained by engaging a dude who "declines" a go-around call. |
Originally Posted by rickair7777
(Post 1976725)
What if he doesn't go around? Classic interview dilemma...and the solution is key the mike and tell tower you're going around. Now if CA Energy State continues the approach and LDG at that point you've got a problem...I can see how that would result in a personality conflict.
Hopefully the FO just walked off while dialing the MOD, nothing to be gained by engaging a dude who "declines" a go-around call. At least there is some good bbq in Lubbock. |
Originally Posted by full of luv
(Post 1976743)
No the right answer is allegedly to argue with the captain and then convince the fa that the captain is unstable/unsafe and then deboard the airplane while the captain is away and call the police. See above for example.
At least there is some good bbq in Lubbock. And yes, Lubbock has good food! |
Citation X is much more pleasant in x-winds with at least 130kts over the fence. :)
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[QUOTE=AxlF16;1976635]Wait...I've flown with that captain at United:eek:[/QUOTE
Disregard..... |
Originally Posted by full of luv
(Post 1976743)
No the right answer is allegedly to argue with the captain and then convince the fa that the captain is unstable/unsafe and then deboard the airplane while the captain is away and call the police. See above for example.
At least there is some good bbq in Lubbock. |
The famous story at UAL comes to mind. Captain and FO are at a ball game. Having a good time with just a couple of beers. They finish and it's just after 12 hours prior to takeoff (back before we were at 8 hours). FO saying nothing to Captain about the fact that he finished his beer at 11:58 prior to push, but she decides to call the FODM and report him. Stay classy!!!!! There are easier ways to move up a number
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Originally Posted by gettinbumped
(Post 1976792)
They finish and it's just after 12 hours prior to takeoff (back before we were at 8 hours).
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Originally Posted by AxlF16
(Post 1976615)
Found this on the "View From the Wing" blog.
l think that says it all... |
Originally Posted by rickair7777
(Post 1976725)
What if he doesn't go around? Classic interview dilemma....
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Originally Posted by APC225
(Post 1976632)
"Pilot was coming in 10 knots faster then he should have been [on arrival into Lubbock], co-pilot then radioed tower and told them, which started argument in cockpit as they landed."
I'd believe the scenario where the FO said go around for missing the gate criteria, the CA did not go around, and now you've got an issue. DH |
Originally Posted by Dhood84
(Post 1977108)
Must have been an IOE trip.....
DH |
Originally Posted by trip
(Post 1977240)
With a Riddler?
DH |
10 knots fast is better than 10 knots slow.
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Originally Posted by baseball
(Post 1977608)
10 knots fast is better than 10 knots slow.
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