Haha right I just read 8 pages of skywest people justifying kicking off commuters while they were on duty, I didn't think I would get to see an encore like this. I thought it was bad the one or two times I checked into the deadhead too late and was stuck with the middle seat, at least I could get on the plane and before zone 3.

Yes indeed. Has been happening since at least 2008 for United (that is when it happened to me). If it is your own metal it is an easy fix. Get hold of the captain and let him know what is happening. 9 out of 10 times the plane won't leave without you.

This just rolls into the premise of this thread that I started. SkyWest pilots are requesting the jumpseat for work assignments. Wether on their own metal or any other carrier, is a tragic loss of ethics. I don't care if it's for training or a meeting or a trip.

And management isn't going to change until it hits the bottom line.

Management is looking at us and simply laughing, saying "look at those brainless monkeys doing all they can to increase MY bonus"!

This is BS. SKW pilots are NOT requesting the JS when on DH, nobody wants to sit JS when they don't have to. We may have people (me included until recently) who are under the impression that we can be directed to occupy the JS on SKW metal.

Caveat: There are always clueless noobs who volunteer to do stuff like that because they think they're "helping out" by exercising their exalted JS privilege. This can be at any airline; I've been burned several times over the years, always by a "fresh" looking FO, so I'm pretty sure it's ignorance vice malicious disregard for other pilots.

Do you live in any of the crew bases? They will only PS you to a crew base which I think is total BS.

I must admit, I recently came home from initial training and the company wouldn't get me a ticket since I don't live in a base. I listed at the gate last minute and originally got a seat, but before the door closed the gate agent came on and asked if I would take the JS to get a passenger on. I took it, and didn't think anything of it. I was just happy to be on the last direct flight of the day.

I did run into the CA while waiting to board, and we chatted for a minute. He said that I was the only one trying to get on, and I didn't see anyone else waiting around the gate, so I'm almost positive that I didn't displace a commuter. However, now reading this thread is making me feel guilty for using the JS privilege in that way.

I'm new to this industry and still learning the ropes, so please excuse my mistake. I won't do it again.

Watched a 20+ year SkyWest pilot request and take the JS for a meeting, because they weren't going to make it with their SA pass. Got bumped because it was first come, first served, seniority.

This is flat out wrong, and our management does not care!

In fact it's promoted, "drinking the koolaid, being the company man".

This doesn't only happen with Skywest pilots. Although it sounds like it may happen more frequently by this thread. I've personally missed a few commutes on mainline by pilots that were positive spaced to accommodate an additional revenue passenger.

Management pilot or SAPA? I agree they *should* get PS but it's not up to the pilot. If it's management, well what do you expect? The company gave him a job to do in a cost-effective manner and one of the tools they have is the JS (at a higher priority than us).

If it's SAPA, he's trying to get to a meeting to work on our behalf and most of them are uncompensated volunteers. The company may gives them SA at a higher priority than usual but it's still SA. Jumpseating to SAPA is legit. Does ALPA buy their reps revenue tickets? I would not expect him to miss his meeting; it would come down to seniority.

Sounds like it comes down to two guys going to work, and one of them had a higher seniority. The issue here is not pilots, it's the company not providing PS (which the major partners don't let them do anyway for non mission-critical movement).

Nobody should have any issue with a pilot taking the JS for his personal benefit if he's going to get bumped. Not his fault the company doesn't do PS. Different story if he's PS trying to volunteer to *help out* and taking the the JS away from another pilot.

But you're right about one thing, management does not care about this issue and they never will. There's only one possible fix for things the company has no incentive to care about.

I'll do that to help get a nonrev on, but only after I check with the CA and verify that no pilots are waiting. There's no need for absolute draconian policy...if it's not going to hurt another pilot use the JS in a manner which makes sense to you and the CA.

I've had mainline CA's ask me to sit JS to accommodate nonrevs.

If I'm on my way to work PS and I need a nap, I might decline the JS and take my seat in the back.

Use common sense, don't screw yourself or other pilots. I don't really buy the idea that it sets a bad precedent...if you're asked and don't want to do it, just say no. Since I never do it without consulting with (or being asked by) the CA, obviously many other folks feel the same way I do.