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RAH TA Poll
Now that it's out, how will you vote?
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Originally Posted by flyguy23
(Post 1984309)
Now that it's out, how will you vote?
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Yes. The majority you ask that don't post on Internet forums will also be voting yes.
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Will this fix the actual issue that the original issue created?
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No.............
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RAH TA Poll
NO!
Seriously, how can we vote for a TA that was not negotiated by our NC? After 9 years of nonsense are you all really gonna vote yes to a TA that was written by management, doesn't keep up with inflation let alone pay raises, and no penalty to the company for dragging this out? We will never have this leverage again... Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
YES!!!!!!!!
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Looks like a good TA, but vacation and reserve are not industry leading. My guess is it passes 60/40.
No it wasn't fully negotiated by the local NC, but it is fully backed by the Eboard. JC is a standup guy, and I would trust his judgement over any on the NC. Oh and he was actually elected by the membership. |
The contract will be voted in. BUT...it will be too expensive and RAH will have to do something about it. Management has something in the works...look through all the smoke a mirrors guys. This is too good to be true. One day you guys can't come to any type of agreement then literally the next you all you want plus some? Smells very fishy.
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Originally Posted by AlaskaBound
(Post 1990595)
The contract will be voted in. BUT...it will be too expensive and RAH will have to do something about it. Management has something in the works...look through all the smoke a mirrors guys. This is too good to be true. One day you guys can't come to any type of agreement then literally the next you all you want plus some? Smells very fishy.
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It'll pass by 85%...too many lifers that are scared and too many new hires that want an upgrade.
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Originally Posted by AlaskaBound
(Post 1990595)
The contract will be voted in. BUT...it will be too expensive and RAH will have to do something about it. Management has something in the works...look through all the smoke a mirrors guys. This is too good to be true. One day you guys can't come to any type of agreement then literally the next you all you want plus some? Smells very fishy.
What are you smoking? All we want? This TA is still well below skywest and air wisconsin. There are some gains, but it's FAR from all we want. I think it will pass in the upper 50s to low 60s |
I missed it, but when does this vote close?
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Oct 27th.....
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Originally Posted by Loon
(Post 1990750)
Oct 27th.....
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Originally Posted by Loon
(Post 1990620)
You may be right; I'll take the money while i can then!
More importantly with unlimited payments to pipeline and other candidates you are ensuring there will NEVER be leverage again. The company didn't negotiate up to this point. Do you think if they have a constant supply of new hires they'll ever negotiate again? And you're willing to give away leverage for all future Republic pilots so you can pay for your own bonus? You're throwing the military pilots at Republic under the bus. But I guess you'll still get your 'merica pants on every year during Veteran's Day. Vacation was bad so we raised the credit value of a week of vacation and slightly raised the accrual (most people lose a week of vacation) then we reduced the value of MIL days so those guys get reserve. We identified a problem [vacation causes RSV because the credit value is so low] and fixed it by [raise credit value of vacation, and reduce credit value of MIL leave]. Hmm this seems like a great deal, I'm glad we didn't concede anything. Wait, we conceded a week of vacation, loss of vacation if you call in sick, and threw the military guys under the bus. |
Originally Posted by Ronaldo
(Post 1990765)
That makes a lot of sense. You are voting in an inflationary paycut from 2007 wages of roughly 4 dollars per hour as a CA. That 4 dollars an hour pays for your signing bonus in 3-5 years. You're paying your own bonus.
More importantly with unlimited payments to pipeline and other candidates you are ensuring there will NEVER be leverage again. The company didn't negotiate up to this point. Do you think if they have a constant supply of new hires they'll ever negotiate again? And you're willing to give away leverage for all future Republic pilots so you can pay for your own bonus? You're throwing the military pilots at Republic under the bus. But I guess you'll still get your 'merica pants on every year during Veteran's Day. Vacation was bad so we raised the credit value of a week of vacation and slightly raised the accrual (most people lose a week of vacation) then we reduced the value of MIL days so those guys get reserve. We identified a problem [vacation causes RSV because the credit value is so low] and fixed it by [raise credit value of vacation, and reduce credit value of MIL leave]. Hmm this seems like a great deal, I'm glad we didn't concede anything. Wait, we conceded a week of vacation, loss of vacation if you call in sick, and threw the military guys under the bus. So why then do we expect to get the garden of Eden with this "stepping stone"? Your thought process (like many others) is inconsistent. For the record, i think it's a good ta; apparently you don't. Vote NO, pout when it passes and move on to that major job and get the contact that you feel you deserve. |
Originally Posted by Loon
(Post 1990782)
The basic mentality is (with regional airlines) that this is a "stepping stone" and that our "pie in the sky" is that much coveted major. I'm sure you agree.
So why then do we expect to get the garden of Eden with this "stepping stone"? Your thought process (like many others) is inconsistent. For the record, i think it's a good ta; apparently you don't. Vote NO, pout when it passes and move on to that major job and get the contact that you feel you deserve. |
Originally Posted by pitchtrim
(Post 1990800)
Not a stepping stone when it's a 10 year stint flying multi million dollar equipment with the same responsibility and skill set.
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Originally Posted by pitchtrim
(Post 1990800)
Not a stepping stone when it's a 10 year stint flying multi million dollar equipment with the same responsibility and skill set.
My point is that 19/20 f.o.'s that i fly with hate the company and are looking to move on. I am happy for them and hope them the best. Since they are not planning on staying any longer than they have to though, why not take the better work rules and higher pay while they can? For the airline that we have (regional), this ta is more than adequate. The "burn baby burn" crowd are just childish. |
Reposted from elsewhere:
A challenge I challenge all [Republic pilots] to spend additional time reading up on the loss of seniority and longevity by SUCCESSORED airlines in the past. Stop looking at the money in this TA. And start looking, for example, at how a group of TWA flight attendants lost 30+ years' of seniority and longevity. All of it, gone. All of them either stapled or out of jobs. And all because the word was changed from "merger" to something else. http://www.twaflightattendants.com/g.../travesty.html American convinced them to release scope, in the best interest of moving forward . . . "Just trust us." That ought to sound familiar to you. "They had to have known why AMERICAN AIRLINES was demanding the TWA flight attendants give up their strongest protection, the SCOPE clause. The IAM provided the TWA flight attendants minimal information. Even the most vigilant flight attendant could not have fully comprehended the complicated legal situation that was thrust upon them when AA purchased TWA. But the fact that the average flight attendant may not have understood the implications of what they were being asked to surrender in the SCOPE clause did not relieve the IAM of their responsibility to educate them about what was in their best interest. That is the job of a union." Maybe that sounds familiar, too. And after you feel like you're ready to talk money again: Look at how much money you will lose, under this new TA, if you are potentially forced to reset your seniority and longevity when you flow up to a mainline. VS. Today's current contract, which allows you to be merged onto their list, and maintain all of the seniority and longevity that you've accrued, or will accrue in the next 4 years. |
Originally Posted by hopeless in SEA
(Post 1992290)
Reposted from elsewhere:
A challenge I challenge all [Republic pilots] to spend additional time reading up on the loss of seniority and longevity by SUCCESSORED airlines in the past. Stop looking at the money in this TA. And start looking, for example, at how a group of TWA flight attendants lost 30+ years' of seniority and longevity. All of it, gone. All of them either stapled or out of jobs. And all because the word was changed from "merger" to something else. http://www.twaflightattendants.com/g.../travesty.html American convinced them to release scope, in the best interest of moving forward . . . "Just trust us." That ought to sound familiar to you. "They had to have known why AMERICAN AIRLINES was demanding the TWA flight attendants give up their strongest protection, the SCOPE clause. The IAM provided the TWA flight attendants minimal information. Even the most vigilant flight attendant could not have fully comprehended the complicated legal situation that was thrust upon them when AA purchased TWA. But the fact that the average flight attendant may not have understood the implications of what they were being asked to surrender in the SCOPE clause did not relieve the IAM of their responsibility to educate them about what was in their best interest. That is the job of a union." Maybe that sounds familiar, too. And after you feel like you're ready to talk money again: Look at how much money you will lose, under this new TA, if you are potentially forced to reset your seniority and longevity when you flow up to a mainline. VS. Today's current contract, which allows you to be merged onto their list, and maintain all of the seniority and longevity that you've accrued, or will accrue in the next 4 years. |
Originally Posted by Ronaldo
(Post 1990765)
That makes a lot of sense. You are voting in an inflationary paycut from 2007 wages of roughly 4 dollars per hour as a CA. That 4 dollars an hour pays for your signing bonus in 3-5 years. You're paying your own bonus.
More importantly with unlimited payments to pipeline and other candidates you are ensuring there will NEVER be leverage again. The company didn't negotiate up to this point. Do you think if they have a constant supply of new hires they'll ever negotiate again? And you're willing to give away leverage for all future Republic pilots so you can pay for your own bonus? You're throwing the military pilots at Republic under the bus. But I guess you'll still get your 'merica pants on every year during Veteran's Day. Vacation was bad so we raised the credit value of a week of vacation and slightly raised the accrual (most people lose a week of vacation) then we reduced the value of MIL days so those guys get reserve. We identified a problem [vacation causes RSV because the credit value is so low] and fixed it by [raise credit value of vacation, and reduce credit value of MIL leave]. Hmm this seems like a great deal, I'm glad we didn't concede anything. Wait, we conceded a week of vacation, loss of vacation if you call in sick, and threw the military guys under the bus. |
Originally Posted by FEtoFO
(Post 1992320)
This sounds like an issue for dept of labor. Military leave is not negotiable, and I would not trust the Teamsters with any litigation. I think some at republic still think they're at a legacy, and they are not.
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Originally Posted by hopeless in SEA
(Post 1992290)
Reposted from elsewhere:
A challenge I challenge all [Republic pilots] to spend additional time reading up on the loss of seniority and longevity by SUCCESSORED airlines in the past. Stop looking at the money in this TA. And start looking, for example, at how a group of TWA flight attendants lost 30+ years' of seniority and longevity. All of it, gone. All of them either stapled or out of jobs. And all because the word was changed from "merger" to something else. http://www.twaflightattendants.com/g.../travesty.html American convinced them to release scope, in the best interest of moving forward . . . "Just trust us." That ought to sound familiar to you. "They had to have known why AMERICAN AIRLINES was demanding the TWA flight attendants give up their strongest protection, the SCOPE clause. The IAM provided the TWA flight attendants minimal information. Even the most vigilant flight attendant could not have fully comprehended the complicated legal situation that was thrust upon them when AA purchased TWA. But the fact that the average flight attendant may not have understood the implications of what they were being asked to surrender in the SCOPE clause did not relieve the IAM of their responsibility to educate them about what was in their best interest. That is the job of a union." Maybe that sounds familiar, too. And after you feel like you're ready to talk money again: Look at how much money you will lose, under this new TA, if you are potentially forced to reset your seniority and longevity when you flow up to a mainline. VS. Today's current contract, which allows you to be merged onto their list, and maintain all of the seniority and longevity that you've accrued, or will accrue in the next 4 years. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eastern_Air_Lines Remember, in the end ALL Eastern pilots WON!!! Its simple, with out new hires coming through the door RAH is done. This deal is Republics best chance at filling classes again. Whether it works or not is yet to be seen. But until that day, I would take the cash and bonus money and milk it for all its worth. The regional industry is broken and dying, might as well make the most money possible until you move onward and upward into the majors. |
Originally Posted by hopeless in SEA
(Post 1992290)
Reposted from elsewhere:
A challenge I challenge all [Republic pilots] to spend additional time reading up on the loss of seniority and longevity by SUCCESSORED airlines in the past. Stop looking at the money in this TA. And start looking, for example, at how a group of TWA flight attendants lost 30+ years' of seniority and longevity. All of it, gone. All of them either stapled or out of jobs. And all because the word was changed from "merger" to something else. http://www.twaflightattendants.com/g.../travesty.html American convinced them to release scope, in the best interest of moving forward . . . "Just trust us." That ought to sound familiar to you. "They had to have known why AMERICAN AIRLINES was demanding the TWA flight attendants give up their strongest protection, the SCOPE clause. The IAM provided the TWA flight attendants minimal information. Even the most vigilant flight attendant could not have fully comprehended the complicated legal situation that was thrust upon them when AA purchased TWA. But the fact that the average flight attendant may not have understood the implications of what they were being asked to surrender in the SCOPE clause did not relieve the IAM of their responsibility to educate them about what was in their best interest. That is the job of a union." Maybe that sounds familiar, too. And after you feel like you're ready to talk money again: Look at how much money you will lose, under this new TA, if you are potentially forced to reset your seniority and longevity when you flow up to a mainline. VS. Today's current contract, which allows you to be merged onto their list, and maintain all of the seniority and longevity that you've accrued, or will accrue in the next 4 years. of the two fellow RAH pilots I've talked to today, both have done the same. Should we be concerned? |
Originally Posted by 3inthegreen
(Post 1992350)
Its simple, with out new hires coming through the door RAH is done. This deal is Republics best chance at filling classes again. Whether it works or not is yet to be seen. New hires don't matter, contract doesn't matter, bankruptcy doesn't matter. |
Originally Posted by hopeless in SEA
(Post 1992290)
Reposted from elsewhere:
A challenge I challenge all [Republic pilots] to spend additional time reading up on the loss of seniority and longevity by SUCCESSORED airlines in the past. Stop looking at the money in this TA. And start looking, for example, at how a group of TWA flight attendants lost 30+ years' of seniority and longevity. All of it, gone. All of them either stapled or out of jobs. And all because the word was changed from "merger" to something else. http://www.twaflightattendants.com/g.../travesty.html American convinced them to release scope, in the best interest of moving forward . . . "Just trust us." That ought to sound familiar to you. "They had to have known why AMERICAN AIRLINES was demanding the TWA flight attendants give up their strongest protection, the SCOPE clause. The IAM provided the TWA flight attendants minimal information. Even the most vigilant flight attendant could not have fully comprehended the complicated legal situation that was thrust upon them when AA purchased TWA. But the fact that the average flight attendant may not have understood the implications of what they were being asked to surrender in the SCOPE clause did not relieve the IAM of their responsibility to educate them about what was in their best interest. That is the job of a union." Maybe that sounds familiar, too. And after you feel like you're ready to talk money again: Look at how much money you will lose, under this new TA, if you are potentially forced to reset your seniority and longevity when you flow up to a mainline. VS. Today's current contract, which allows you to be merged onto their list, and maintain all of the seniority and longevity that you've accrued, or will accrue in the next 4 years. |
I've withdrawn from the 357 message board. Doubt I'll ever go back. It has become the equivalent of things that used to be good in the past, but got hijacked by the ultra-left (e.g. the Ford foundation, Catholic church, et al)
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Originally Posted by flyguy23
(Post 1992431)
Please don't repost any JG gospel. The union board is unbearable with that new message board hero. There are reasons to vote yes and no. His fortune telling and poor use of the caps lock need to stay out of public view.
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When is the vote deadline?
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Originally Posted by AnchorDown
(Post 1997112)
When is the vote deadline?
27th at noon |
Originally Posted by 170driver
(Post 1997119)
27th at noon
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Vote yes. Vote often.
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Originally Posted by magnus0322
(Post 1997296)
Vote yes. Vote often.
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Originally Posted by Loon
(Post 1997363)
I sense sarcasm? Are you implying that our Eboard is stuffing the ballot box? Honest question.
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I'm picturing bb and jcII with their sleeves rolled up at the crystal Palace working tirelessly stamping YES votes, lol.
Thanks for the funny image! |
What's everyone's latest thoughts on the vote outcome? Any word on the local 357 site/forum?
Is it going to pass, or should I start looking for a new job lol |
Originally Posted by iriderockets
(Post 1998491)
What's everyone's latest thoughts on the vote outcome? Any word on the local 357 site/forum?
Is it going to pass, or should I start looking for a new job lol |
It will pass.
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