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Flubber 10-10-2015 12:52 PM

I've heard a number of pilots say we should have a flow agreement. How? (I know why...) Can anyone name one regional that has or had a flow program, that is (or was) not a wholly-owned subsidiary? That's why we don't, and most likely won't, have a flow program.

On the flip side, let's say we do get a flow agreement with AA. Now Delta come along with an offer of flying that has terms agreeable to AWAC management. What happens then? Or would DAL even consider offering that flying to us? Will we have to declare "AWAC rights" or "followthrough?"

billyho 10-10-2015 01:10 PM


Originally Posted by Flubber (Post 1989554)
On the flip side, let's say we do get a flow agreement with AA. Now Delta come along with an offer of flying that has terms agreeable to AWAC management. What happens then? Or would DAL even consider offering that flying to us? Will we have to declare "AWAC rights" or "followthrough?"

You only have 2 years left on the AA agreement to even fly for them. Do you honestly think Parker would give AWAC a flow?? Hell if anything he's hoping that you guys tank so he can raid your pilots for his WO'ed airlines. We've already had more then a hand full of AWAC FO's leave and come to one of the 3 WO'ed and believe me he'd love them all.

AWAC management wanted a deal done and I think it was because they wanted to make them competitive in competing for flying with other Delta Carriers.

That being said they do offer a good product, but how long before people start jumping off a ship that starts to sink???

As for a flow thru there's no way in the world that's going to happen at AWAC. While I totally understand why this TA has been turned down I can understand now that AWAC will enter into much uncertain waters. No new planes and no new Code Share partners.

AWAC offers a good product, but is that what Majors want?? Or is it the bottom line..... Money.

Lawn 10-10-2015 03:06 PM


Originally Posted by billyho (Post 1989565)
You only have 2 years left on the AA agreement to even fly for them. Do you honestly think Parker would give AWAC a flow?? Hell if anything he's hoping that you guys tank so he can raid your pilots for his WO'ed airlines. We've already had more then a hand full of AWAC FO's leave and come to one of the 3 WO'ed and believe me he'd love them all.

AWAC management wanted a deal done and I think it was because they wanted to make them competitive in competing for flying with other Delta Carriers.

That being said they do offer a good product, but how long before people start jumping off a ship that starts to sink???

As for a flow thru there's no way in the world that's going to happen at AWAC. While I totally understand why this TA has been turned down I can understand now that AWAC will enter into much uncertain waters. No new planes and no new Code Share partners.

AWAC offers a good product, but is that what Majors want?? Or is it the bottom line..... Money.

The only FO's "bailing" for the wholly owned AA regionals from AWAC are new-hire wash outs.

I typically don't agree with what you post on here billyho, but you're probably correct about us not getting a flow. I can't see that happening. But I'm still not bailing for PDT to help your seniority number grow.

Day4mx 10-10-2015 03:15 PM

Billy, you repeatedly claimed this ta was going to pass. Youre an idiot who knows nothing. You have no credibility here. All noise. No signal. ****.

billyho 10-10-2015 03:19 PM


Originally Posted by Day4mx (Post 1989607)
Billy, you repeatedly claimed this ta was going to pass. Youre an idiot who knows nothing. You have no credibility here. All noise. No signal. ****.

Find where I said it was going to pass???

BitterOHFO 10-10-2015 03:21 PM

I don't want a flow! I am still of the archaic thought that you should have to interview for a job!

Been seeing posts here and there that alot of flow through guys have been fired since they show up with the "entitled attitude" at the next level! Seems to be a problem at all the legacies with flow agreements!

billyho 10-10-2015 03:23 PM


Originally Posted by Lawn (Post 1989601)
But I'm still not bailing for PDT to help your seniority number grow.

I don't blame you. 8 years ago we did have many Piedmont Pilots bail for Republic and AWAC while we were in somewhat the same situation as you guys, wonder how they feel now? Nothing wrong with you staying at AWAC and guess what? You might just get rewarded for staying there just like our guys that stuck with Piedmont and are now just over a year from flowing.

Best of Luck.

billyho 10-10-2015 03:25 PM


Originally Posted by BitterOHFO (Post 1989614)
I don't want a flow! I am still of the archaic thought that you should have to interview for a job!

You still have to interview with the 3 WO'ed. It's just when your number comes up you just have to pee in a cup. But then again there's more airlines then just American to chose from.

Realtalk 10-10-2015 04:04 PM


Originally Posted by billyho (Post 1989611)
Find where I said it was going to pass???

Oh billy come on don't do me like that. You know!

billyho 10-10-2015 04:14 PM


Originally Posted by Realtalk (Post 1989637)
Oh billy come on don't do me like that. You know!

Okay you might find where I said it one time. He did say repeatedly and that's nowhere near the true.;)

Honestly I was waiting for someone to actually try and find one, hell I'm not sure if I did.:D

I'm interested really to see how management handles this. You guys have a NC Committee in line???


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