United seeking to add 100-seat airplane
 

By Morgan Durrant, Corporate Communications

Bloomberg News reported Friday that United Airlines is seeking to secure the addition of a new 100-seat fleet type if pilots agree to a two-year contract extension in expedited bargaining.

Securing a pact would bring back some flying done by regional partners on less-efficient 50-seat regional jets, the article says, and would order 100-seat aircraft from either Bombardier Inc. or Embraer SA, the story says.

The piece also notes United has struggled to reach unified labor agreements since its 2010 merger with Continental Airlines, adding that a new agreement with pilots could allow focus on agreements with other workgroups.

For instance, United has not reached combined agreements with its flight attendants and aviation maintenance technicians five years after the merger and remain in mediated negotiations with the National Mediation Board.

In July, Delta pilots rejected a tentative agreement that would have brought at least 20 Embraer 190 aircraft and 40 additional 737-900ERs to the Delta mainline fleet.

How original. If you don't, you're going to lose airframes and cancel orders.

Why is this in the regional thread?

Because it affects scope, and therefore us.

No. They are in talks with legacy carriers to be operated by legacies and their pilots which would return flying back to legacies which would also be a relief valve for the regional pilot shortage as there is no shortage of legacy pilots or one for the forseeable future.

Because airframes and jobs might be going away?

Because more opportunities for jobs at mainline might open up?

Buying the 100 seaters to fly at mainline, allows them to increase the number of 76 seaters flown by the regionals, that's how it applies to regional pilots.

Looking at the CRJ1000 then....

CS100 probably

If that's a fact, then the vote better be no. Unless it's a 20 to one ratio or better. That's their "in" otherwise.

Guessing 3-2

Everyone in this section of the forum better hope the heck not if so.

Does Boeing or Airbus even have a 100 seat airframe? The EMB 190 and CRJ 1000 are both uneconomical hunks of crap.

I think the airlines would love to fly the B717 if they could get their hands on more but they can't.

The closest thing would be either the A-318 (if it's even still in production) or the 737-500 (again, if it's even still in production) the B-717 at Delta is configured to 110 seats. I don't think any us airline still flies the 318 or 735. Not sure what the Emb-190 seats, but it's probably in that 100-110 seat range.
BTW the CRJ-1000 is actually a separate type rating from the other CRJs (100 through 900)

I thought united flew the A318?


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There simply aren't enough regional pilots for increased regional flying. My guess is these will be on mainline United and won't come at a cost of more 76 seaters at the regionals.

Jetblue flies the 190 with 99 seats so only 2 FA's are required.

Probably 190s or possibly the new Bombardier 100 seater. Maybe the MRJ, but somehow I doubt that.

Would it be a sticking point if 100 seat captain pay is lower than wide body fo pay?

I think it might be. Another question is if it is a quick upgrade or not. Do 100 seat captains down grade to widebody FO ?

It has 100....

I guess you guys aren't familiar with the current UPA. It specifies the E190, E195 and CS100 as the only options for the New Small Narrow Body aircraft. I don't think the number of seats installed has anything to do with it, only types. United already approached the MEC a while ago with a desire to expand the definition of NSNB to include the small Boeings and Airbii and were turned down.

The Republic 190s were configured to 99 seats to avoid paying the pilots more...

Yeah ok ..They did have the 737-500 at one point.


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Yes I do ..I'm sure you're looking up
what I said about the 737-500s on
Wikipedia ..Idiot


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There's that one Texas airline that still operates the 737-300 and 500.





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This is ironic coming from a guy who needed the article in the OP explained to him.





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So what? This is about major/national/LCCs flying the 190. Different ballgame.

Which legacy carrier will be the first to advertise they don't outsource to ANY regional feed subcontractors at all....

It won't be AA; their idea is to offer mainline jobs to keep wages and work rules low at their owned regionals.

U.S. air flies the-190, as well as air Canada...Jazz. Lots of -190s...maybe -195s in Europe.

I hope U.S. carriers get the bombardier C. It is three near smaller plane for PAX comfort.

Really glad to hear this is (almost) official. I heard about this coming down while in the JS last month. This is absolutely a step in the right direction for the industry. The gravy train is slowly coming to an end.

Mainline pilot groups have wised up. They generally don't use a seat count as the defining criteria for scope, but also consider MGTOW, cargo capacity, and range...basically account for value of the airplane as an economic engine.

They are generally giving up scope only for specific type certifications so the company can't do work arounds by removing seats or having the Mfg "de-rate" the airplane's MGTOW by a few pounds.

Dude calm down. I quoted the wrong person. I meant to quote the guy that said Jetblue had a 99 seat 190. I was attempting to let him know he may have had his airlines confused.

Hypothetically, if mainline were to absorb regional flying back. What would the pilot career look like? After instructing, would one just apply to the majors?

If the pilot shortage gets big enough it might work like European Carriers where Pilots would be sponsored by Airlines. You'd take a battery of test and then that carrier would pick up your training tab with you giving them a period of time.