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Average line values
Trying to get an idea of average line values at different companies. If you have rigs include both hours and credit. Thanks
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It depends on the Month. Dec: 87, Sept: 70
No trip or duty rig at PSA. |
Originally Posted by Leonardo
(Post 2012923)
It depends on the Month. Dec: 87, Sept: 70
No trip or duty rig at PSA. At ENY the average line value has been constantly in the mid 60's. Currently running nearly 50% RSV coverage. No Duty/Trip rigs, nor min day value. The average sequence has a layover with more than 24 hours. Nearly 100% of our lines are 4 day trips. |
SkyWest FO based in ORD. Has been at least 89hrs for the last year +. No end to it in sight.
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Endeavor is 80-85 credit and 70-75 block.. That's the average overall, each pilot may be a little over/under and each month can be 1-2 hours in either direction on the averages.
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Horizon 80.5 hours with 5 week bid, or 69 hour monthly guarantee.
Duty rig 2:1 Trip rig 4:1 But don't even think of coming here until our contract/jet negotiations are done. |
Originally Posted by What
(Post 2012937)
But you do have a Mid day value with a modifier on Day one and last day.
At ENY the average line value has been constantly in the mid 60's. Currently running nearly 50% RSV coverage. No Duty/Trip rigs, nor min day value. The average sequence has a layover with more than 24 hours. Nearly 100% of our lines are 4 day trips. |
90+ hours every month of pay. 70-85 hrs block every month.
Skywest |
There are guys at every airline that credit more than 90 or 100 /month. I'd say the average line holder anywhere probably credits 80-85 in a given month.
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I should add to my previous comment, unless you're super senior you can not get less that 89hrs of credit per month as an FO in ORD at the moment. My awarded block hours tends to be over awarded credit hours. Come to SkyWest if you want to fly a lot. If you want just monthly guarantee look elsewhere. You'll be worked here.
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What's more important is the amount of days off with those credit values. High average daily credit is the name of the game. As a senior Compass FO, I managed close to a 6 hour daily credit average for trips. My last shop had a lot of 15-17 hour 4 days..
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how many hours a month flying at compass?
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Originally Posted by snackysmores
(Post 2013010)
Horizon 80.5 hours with 5 week bid, or 69 hour monthly guarantee.
80.5/35x365/12 = 69.958 hours per month. Reserve guarantee works out to 74.998 hours per month. |
Originally Posted by Westernflight
(Post 2013225)
I should add to my previous comment, unless you're super senior you can not get less that 89hrs of credit per month as an FO in ORD at the moment. My awarded block hours tends to be over awarded credit hours. Come to SkyWest if you want to fly a lot. If you want just monthly guarantee look elsewhere. You'll be worked here.
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Originally Posted by Ar Pilot
(Post 2013305)
What's more important is the amount of days off with those credit values.
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Piedmont: ~81-84 hours for lineholders (used to be closer to 88-89 hours prior to Part 117.) Contract says lines have to be built between 80-90 hours. Lineholders generally don't do a lot of DHing. 75 hour min guarantee. Trip rig is 4 hours/day (averaged over the trip...ie one day could be 2.5 hrs and another 7, as long as it averages above 4 for the trip. DH-only days pay a minimum of 4 hours.) Mix of 1/2/3/4 day trips, but lines average ~12 days off per month and are rarely commutable. No idea what the new PHL base will look like.
I'd say I have averaged right around 90-93 hours of credit after over-block and soft pay over the last 4 years, and I don't pick up open time. |
Originally Posted by rcfd13
(Post 2013319)
Even the senior pilots can't bid down. I bid 20% and I haven't been awarded under 90 hours in 2 years. My minimum line credit value this month at 20% was 89:06.
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Sounds like Skywest one of the worst schedule/bidding systems in the industry along with some of the worst reserve rules.
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On average I fly about 70-80 hours per month, and credit over 110 each month.
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Xjt crj block-80 credit-107 days off-14
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Originally Posted by gold
(Post 2013368)
Sounds like Skywest one of the worst schedule/bidding systems in the industry along with some of the worst reserve rules.
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Always plan on only making min guarantee, and that is all. If you do that you will not run into the over spending problems of needing 95 hours pay but only being able to bank 88 in a month. If you can make more than min guarantee, great. Just don't require more.
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Originally Posted by gold
(Post 2013368)
Sounds like Skywest one of the worst schedule/bidding systems in the industry along with some of the worst reserve rules.
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Originally Posted by Westernflight
(Post 2013480)
On the other side of the coin the 175 is way over staffed... I'm bidding over in Feb/Jan. Their average line values are 84-86 hours and you can drop trips due to excess reserves.
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Originally Posted by Cruz5350
(Post 2013581)
That's not going to last... Once the block hours increase we will be right back to the same 90-100 hour lines with no ability to drop. If you want to come over great but I wouldn't use that as my reasoning.
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Mid seniority CPZ FO. High 80's credit, low 80's Block. (Floor was 85 this month, usually 75) 16 days off.
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Originally Posted by gold
(Post 2013368)
Sounds like Skywest one of the worst schedule/bidding systems in the industry along with some of the worst reserve rules.
The SkyWest PBS is used to meet one goal: company needs. It is designed to meet schedule and cost concerns, globalization is a term used to override seniority. Reserve is a life style worse than what Jared Fogle will get for the next 15 years. Pick your poison. |
80 hours at Tsa. Unless you're top 10 in base, 12 days off for everyone on 32 day schedule. Hope you like being away from home.
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Line values at Republic have increased in the first month under the new CBA. As an FO with a year and a half seniority I was awarded a line with 89 hours block, 96 hours credit and 14 days off. Company average this month is above 90 hrs credit. All block above 87 hours is paid at 125% of your hourly rate.
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Originally Posted by IFLYPLANEZBRO
(Post 2013535)
Its not bad. Its a high workload but I get 15 days off a month... on a good month Ill get 17 days off, but that only happens if I get one of the good trips. 32 hour 4 day, 27 hour 3 day that sort of thing, but consistently 15 days off.
Where are you based that has "27 hour 3 days"? |
Lol. Can we get a screenshot of this 27 hour 3 day?
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Eagle has 72 hour guarantee but most lines have less than 72 hours block. Even with low time lines about 80% have 11-12 days off. Oh, those 13 hour 4 days aren't commutable.
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Originally Posted by Ar Pilot
(Post 2015548)
Lol. Can we get a screenshot of this 27 hour 3 day?
http://imgur.com/wZGA2YQ |
Originally Posted by IFLYPLANEZBRO
(Post 2015639)
Well I don't know how to post a picture on here but here's an imgur link.
Imgur: The most awesome images on the Internet So what base is this? P.S. That looked like 25 and a half, not 27. |
I'm still impressed.
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Originally Posted by Westernflight
(Post 2013225)
I should add to my previous comment, unless you're super senior you can not get less that 89hrs of credit per month as an FO in ORD at the moment. My awarded block hours tends to be over awarded credit hours. Come to SkyWest if you want to fly a lot. If you want just monthly guarantee look elsewhere. You'll be worked here.
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Originally Posted by deltajuliet
(Post 2016073)
I'm still impressed.
Average credit for ATL CR7 at ASA/XJT is 90 to 100 with 14 days off. My last regular line was June with 88.5 and 14 days off, but I bid 2-day trips. With more productive trips you can increase credit and time off. December is 90 hours with 14 off, but I am off Christmas Eve through New Years Eve. We are always low reserves lately, just like everybody else. When we aren't, you can be very flexible. 2:1 duty rig to 12 hours, 1:1 after 12 hours. 3:52 min day, 100% deadhead. You can make 120 hours per month here with min days off if you want. A very hard working FO can make 70k here. |
Originally Posted by deltajuliet
(Post 2016073)
I'm still impressed.
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81 hours block and 94 hours of credit with 14 days off at Republic for December. Got to love inefficient 145 flying with rigs. It was a long time coming after a few years of 12 days off and 75-80 hours of credit.
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Reviving old thread: can anyone chime in with current line credit averages? Especially Piedmont, PSA.
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