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RawHide 11-18-2015 04:19 AM

Average line values
 
Trying to get an idea of average line values at different companies. If you have rigs include both hours and credit. Thanks

Leonardo 11-18-2015 05:29 AM

It depends on the Month. Dec: 87, Sept: 70

No trip or duty rig at PSA.

What 11-18-2015 06:03 AM


Originally Posted by Leonardo (Post 2012923)
It depends on the Month. Dec: 87, Sept: 70

No trip or duty rig at PSA.

But you do have a Mid day value with a modifier on Day one and last day.

At ENY the average line value has been constantly in the mid 60's. Currently running nearly 50% RSV coverage. No Duty/Trip rigs, nor min day value. The average sequence has a layover with more than 24 hours. Nearly 100% of our lines are 4 day trips.

Westernflight 11-18-2015 07:31 AM

SkyWest FO based in ORD. Has been at least 89hrs for the last year +. No end to it in sight.

higney85 11-18-2015 07:46 AM

Endeavor is 80-85 credit and 70-75 block.. That's the average overall, each pilot may be a little over/under and each month can be 1-2 hours in either direction on the averages.

snackysmores 11-18-2015 08:09 AM

Horizon 80.5 hours with 5 week bid, or 69 hour monthly guarantee.

Duty rig 2:1
Trip rig 4:1

But don't even think of coming here until our contract/jet negotiations are done.

FlameNSky 11-18-2015 08:17 AM


Originally Posted by What (Post 2012937)
But you do have a Mid day value with a modifier on Day one and last day.

At ENY the average line value has been constantly in the mid 60's. Currently running nearly 50% RSV coverage. No Duty/Trip rigs, nor min day value. The average sequence has a layover with more than 24 hours. Nearly 100% of our lines are 4 day trips.

We have quite a few lines with flying well below guarantee. Makes it great for picking up OT (unrestricted here). Its nice to get paid 90 - 100 hr each month in exchange for 70 hours of flying. Throw in a monthly transition conflict and you can add 5 to 10 hours to that.

IFLYPLANEZBRO 11-18-2015 08:25 AM

90+ hours every month of pay. 70-85 hrs block every month.

Skywest

chrisreedrules 11-18-2015 08:31 AM

There are guys at every airline that credit more than 90 or 100 /month. I'd say the average line holder anywhere probably credits 80-85 in a given month.

Westernflight 11-18-2015 02:18 PM

I should add to my previous comment, unless you're super senior you can not get less that 89hrs of credit per month as an FO in ORD at the moment. My awarded block hours tends to be over awarded credit hours. Come to SkyWest if you want to fly a lot. If you want just monthly guarantee look elsewhere. You'll be worked here.

Ar Pilot 11-18-2015 05:11 PM

What's more important is the amount of days off with those credit values. High average daily credit is the name of the game. As a senior Compass FO, I managed close to a 6 hour daily credit average for trips. My last shop had a lot of 15-17 hour 4 days..

hungarypilot 11-18-2015 05:33 PM

how many hours a month flying at compass?

pete2800 11-18-2015 05:43 PM


Originally Posted by snackysmores (Post 2013010)
Horizon 80.5 hours with 5 week bid, or 69 hour monthly guarantee.

Now that's a bit pessimistic...

80.5/35x365/12 = 69.958 hours per month.

Reserve guarantee works out to 74.998 hours per month.

rcfd13 11-18-2015 05:53 PM


Originally Posted by Westernflight (Post 2013225)
I should add to my previous comment, unless you're super senior you can not get less that 89hrs of credit per month as an FO in ORD at the moment. My awarded block hours tends to be over awarded credit hours. Come to SkyWest if you want to fly a lot. If you want just monthly guarantee look elsewhere. You'll be worked here.

Even the senior pilots can't bid down. I bid 20% and I haven't been awarded under 90 hours in 2 years. My minimum line credit value this month at 20% was 89:06.

FlameNSky 11-18-2015 05:57 PM


Originally Posted by Ar Pilot (Post 2013305)
What's more important is the amount of days off with those credit values.

That is definitely the name of the game. Make the most amount of money while minimizing the amount of time away from home.

PapaUniform 11-18-2015 05:58 PM

Piedmont: ~81-84 hours for lineholders (used to be closer to 88-89 hours prior to Part 117.) Contract says lines have to be built between 80-90 hours. Lineholders generally don't do a lot of DHing. 75 hour min guarantee. Trip rig is 4 hours/day (averaged over the trip...ie one day could be 2.5 hrs and another 7, as long as it averages above 4 for the trip. DH-only days pay a minimum of 4 hours.) Mix of 1/2/3/4 day trips, but lines average ~12 days off per month and are rarely commutable. No idea what the new PHL base will look like.

I'd say I have averaged right around 90-93 hours of credit after over-block and soft pay over the last 4 years, and I don't pick up open time.

Westernflight 11-18-2015 06:38 PM


Originally Posted by rcfd13 (Post 2013319)
Even the senior pilots can't bid down. I bid 20% and I haven't been awarded under 90 hours in 2 years. My minimum line credit value this month at 20% was 89:06.

Just got my line award for next month, at 48% and was awarded 101hrs. 12 more than minimum. I always bid "max days off" which is supposed to keep line value to its lowest possible. Evidently this month that's 101. Rediculous. (PBS got creative on me and with one standup and one deadhead was able to keep my block to 95hrs.)

gold 11-18-2015 07:12 PM

Sounds like Skywest one of the worst schedule/bidding systems in the industry along with some of the worst reserve rules.

ASpilot2be 11-18-2015 11:21 PM

On average I fly about 70-80 hours per month, and credit over 110 each month.

EALOFFSPRING 11-19-2015 03:25 AM

Xjt crj block-80 credit-107 days off-14

Westernflight 11-19-2015 04:33 AM


Originally Posted by gold (Post 2013368)
Sounds like Skywest one of the worst schedule/bidding systems in the industry along with some of the worst reserve rules.

These are my single biggest complaints about the company. It's more or less assumed you'll just take platinum days to get what you want off and then deal with the idle threat emails. They are running way too thin on FOs on the CRJ by choice right now, and we keep taking on more flying (4 more delta 200s for December that ORD crews are covering). On the other side of the coin the 175 is way over staffed... I'm bidding over in Feb/Jan. Their average line values are 84-86 hours and you can drop trips due to excess reserves.

Bob Loblaw 11-19-2015 04:42 AM

Always plan on only making min guarantee, and that is all. If you do that you will not run into the over spending problems of needing 95 hours pay but only being able to bank 88 in a month. If you can make more than min guarantee, great. Just don't require more.

IFLYPLANEZBRO 11-19-2015 06:32 AM


Originally Posted by gold (Post 2013368)
Sounds like Skywest one of the worst schedule/bidding systems in the industry along with some of the worst reserve rules.

Its not bad. Its a high workload but I get 15 days off a month... on a good month Ill get 17 days off, but that only happens if I get one of the good trips. 32 hour 4 day, 27 hour 3 day that sort of thing, but consistently 15 days off.

Cruz5350 11-19-2015 07:55 AM


Originally Posted by Westernflight (Post 2013480)
On the other side of the coin the 175 is way over staffed... I'm bidding over in Feb/Jan. Their average line values are 84-86 hours and you can drop trips due to excess reserves.

That's not going to last... Once the block hours increase we will be right back to the same 90-100 hour lines with no ability to drop. If you want to come over great but I wouldn't use that as my reasoning.

Westernflight 11-19-2015 11:59 AM


Originally Posted by Cruz5350 (Post 2013581)
That's not going to last... Once the block hours increase we will be right back to the same 90-100 hour lines with no ability to drop. If you want to come over great but I wouldn't use that as my reasoning.

Probably right about that, would still probably help being the #40 FO vs 78 on the RJ in ORD. With any luck an upgrade would come before the increase in block hours.

GrassLandings 11-19-2015 05:14 PM

Mid seniority CPZ FO. High 80's credit, low 80's Block. (Floor was 85 this month, usually 75) 16 days off.

Check Complete 11-19-2015 10:23 PM


Originally Posted by gold (Post 2013368)
Sounds like Skywest one of the worst schedule/bidding systems in the industry along with some of the worst reserve rules.


The SkyWest PBS is used to meet one goal: company needs. It is designed to meet schedule and cost concerns, globalization is a term used to override seniority.

Reserve is a life style worse than what Jared Fogle will get for the next 15 years.

Pick your poison.

knobcrk 11-20-2015 05:13 AM

80 hours at Tsa. Unless you're top 10 in base, 12 days off for everyone on 32 day schedule. Hope you like being away from home.

TurbineTime 11-21-2015 07:27 AM

Line values at Republic have increased in the first month under the new CBA. As an FO with a year and a half seniority I was awarded a line with 89 hours block, 96 hours credit and 14 days off. Company average this month is above 90 hrs credit. All block above 87 hours is paid at 125% of your hourly rate.

Paid2fly 11-22-2015 09:12 PM


Originally Posted by IFLYPLANEZBRO (Post 2013535)
Its not bad. Its a high workload but I get 15 days off a month... on a good month Ill get 17 days off, but that only happens if I get one of the good trips. 32 hour 4 day, 27 hour 3 day that sort of thing, but consistently 15 days off.








Where are you based that has "27 hour 3 days"?

Ar Pilot 11-23-2015 03:03 AM

Lol. Can we get a screenshot of this 27 hour 3 day?

shfo 11-23-2015 06:30 AM

Eagle has 72 hour guarantee but most lines have less than 72 hours block. Even with low time lines about 80% have 11-12 days off. Oh, those 13 hour 4 days aren't commutable.

IFLYPLANEZBRO 11-23-2015 07:28 AM


Originally Posted by Ar Pilot (Post 2015548)
Lol. Can we get a screenshot of this 27 hour 3 day?

Well I don't know how to post a picture on here but here's an imgur link.

http://imgur.com/wZGA2YQ

Paid2fly 11-23-2015 11:46 PM


Originally Posted by IFLYPLANEZBRO (Post 2015639)
Well I don't know how to post a picture on here but here's an imgur link.

Imgur: The most awesome images on the Internet







So what base is this?

P.S. That looked like 25 and a half, not 27.

deltajuliet 11-24-2015 12:26 AM

I'm still impressed.

Cujo665 11-24-2015 01:15 AM


Originally Posted by Westernflight (Post 2013225)
I should add to my previous comment, unless you're super senior you can not get less that 89hrs of credit per month as an FO in ORD at the moment. My awarded block hours tends to be over awarded credit hours. Come to SkyWest if you want to fly a lot. If you want just monthly guarantee look elsewhere. You'll be worked here.

You'll be worked everywhere as staffing worsens across the board.

AtlCSIP 11-24-2015 06:37 AM


Originally Posted by deltajuliet (Post 2016073)
I'm still impressed.

I am too. Any 3-day over 20 hours is great. I would love to have 3 per month like the one he posted with 21 days off.

Average credit for ATL CR7 at ASA/XJT is 90 to 100 with 14 days off. My last regular line was June with 88.5 and 14 days off, but I bid 2-day trips. With more productive trips you can increase credit and time off. December is 90 hours with 14 off, but I am off Christmas Eve through New Years Eve. We are always low reserves lately, just like everybody else. When we aren't, you can be very flexible. 2:1 duty rig to 12 hours, 1:1 after 12 hours. 3:52 min day, 100% deadhead. You can make 120 hours per month here with min days off if you want. A very hard working FO can make 70k here.

Ar Pilot 11-24-2015 06:55 AM


Originally Posted by deltajuliet (Post 2016073)
I'm still impressed.

Me too. We have some 21-22 hour 3 days, and I've flown a 27 hour 4 day before, but 25.5 on a 3 day is pretty legit. Guys still talk of the golden days of 35-40 hour 5 days and 8 hour, 2 leg MTY day trips in DTW at CP.

glassnpowder98 11-24-2015 08:58 AM

81 hours block and 94 hours of credit with 14 days off at Republic for December. Got to love inefficient 145 flying with rigs. It was a long time coming after a few years of 12 days off and 75-80 hours of credit.

SandMan2 11-25-2023 04:32 AM

Reviving old thread: can anyone chime in with current line credit averages? Especially Piedmont, PSA.


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