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Of course he hasn't. Do you really need to ask?
Perhaps it should be required reading prior to accepting membership. At my first carrier the hard copies were distributed to us new-hires. The implication was it was done because it was important to educate yourself on the union you were joining. Reading it enlightens the new members on industry background, the importance of a union, and the most important one; an individual's duty as a member of the union. That lost sense of individual responsibility is why questions like this are even asked. I don't blame the original poster, it's a collective failure. |
How does Flying the Line address the failures of ALPA at the regional level? I, II, and Hard Landing were all published prior to the sale of scope.
That being said, if the books do address why ALPA never brought all airline pilots under the same umbrella contract or to a minimum standard, could somebody paraphrase rather than telling the OP to go read some books? And for the record, OP, your questions were perfectly reasonable and I'd love to know too. |
Originally Posted by sweetholyjesus
(Post 2026964)
This might give light to the moisture behind my ears but.. What's the point of having such a large Union like ALPA if every airline has different contracts with their pilots, paying different rates, and compete with each other (resulting in lower pay rates)? So for example, shouldn't all ALPA members be operating under a single contract? Same pay for flying a given airframe, same rigs, days off etc.
I feel like operating this way would have prevented the mainline/regional pay and benefits inequality that exists today, and especially combat the way regionals are used against each other by their owners (the reason I think American feels the need to own 3 regionals to fly its passengers....). Heck I'd even say with a proper Union (of ALPA's size anyway) the regionals wouldn't exist at all. But this is my first Union job and I'm not savvy to how exactly these big unions are supposed to work. Thoughts? Forgive me if this is a dead horse, and I do realize the other important things that ALPA and other unions offer. Just thinking out loud.. |
Originally Posted by deltajuliet
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How does Flying the Line address the failures of ALPA at the regional level? I, II, and Hard Landing were all published prior to the sale of scope.
That being said, if the books do address why ALPA never brought all airline pilots under the same umbrella contract or to a minimum standard, could somebody paraphrase rather than telling the OP to go read some books? And for the record, OP, your questions were perfectly reasonable and I'd love to know too. To somehow expect that joining ALPA will fundamentally transform a pilot group is pretty silly. What you've bought is resources. Each pilot group elects their representatives and uses their resources and situation to create leverage. There has rarely been a more pilot friendly leverage environment in the history of this industry. Scott |
One large problem, all these people complain about ALPA this and ALPA that. Let me ask you a question, have you gotten involved with ALPA and tried to better your profession? Most people just act like Monday morning quarterbacks in response to what goes on. If you think you'd be better off without ALPA, please, by all means, go for it. The grass is not always greener.
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We'd be better off without the RLA but ALPA has never pursued that, either.
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Alpa is what keeps regional pilots in line. It's the company's police department to ensure pilot compliance with whatever scheme the regional airline devises. It is fully accepted and sanctioned by major airlines and their pilots. For them to enrichen themselves, you must suffer.
Most pilots are too dumb to see this therefore it persists like a deadly cancer. You know you are screwed when alpa puts on presentations such as "Fee For Departure Interview Tips" instead of "Let's Destroy the Regional Airline B Scale Once and For All". |
Originally Posted by deltajuliet
(Post 2027024)
We'd be better off without the RLA but ALPA has never pursued that, either.
Scott |
Originally Posted by Scott Stoops
(Post 2027032)
Once again. Talking out of your ass. You honestly believe that ALPA never challenged or leveraged the RLA? ALPA has done both. The chess match continues. We, unfortunately, happen to be the pawns.
Scott |
Keep in mind here, ALPA is NOT a union. It is an ASSOCIATION designed to allow any regional to be whipsawed against each other without national intervention. ALPA just wants numbers so they can increase they're income.
If you don't believe me, give Tim Cannoll a call and ask him whether they're a union or not. PSA is a prime example of why ALPA is NOT a union and not on the side of regionals. |
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