Multi - Engine Internship
 

I'm a senior at UND and I plan on graduating this December. Now there's this 6 month internship down in Fargo, ND where you get AT LEAST 250 multi - engine SIC time flying for their Charter/Lifeflight operation. When I graduate, I'll have 300tt give or take a couple with 35 multi. If I did the internship I'd end up with roughly 550tt with 285 multi.

My question is this: Do you think airlines that require 600tt & 100multi, or airlines that require more than that (Horizon & Skywest) would even consider me because of the fact that I'd have a lot of twin time?

Any advice would be appreciated

Skywest won't budge one iota of their minimum time requirements. Don't know about the others.

I don't think Skywest or Horizon will budge, but I think you'd be very competitive at ASA or Eagle. You could go to one of those two airlines and build the time their you need to get to SKW or Horizon. So when you post here again you will be asking if 1000 TT with 500 jet is competitive at SKW or Horizon. Food for thought

Make sure you log it properly. You state that it is Multi-SIC. If you don't take a checkride, and the aircraft does not require a two pilot operaiton, it is NOT SIC. Depending on what kind of aircraft it is, and whether or not the guy in the left seat is an MEI it could be PIC or it could be nothing.

True, an old friend of mine went to interview with SKYW...he had 950TT/875 multi.

He got into the interview and they told him they couldn't continue because he didn't have the required total time.

And Multi SIC doesn't sound too appealing to the airlines.

:p How is this possible you don't meet any 135 minimums.

Go instruct.

Agreed...for the most part. The FAR's specifically state that there's no practical test required for such a thing, you just need to make sure someone checks you out and signs your logbook that you're qualified. Seems to me that most life-flight operations that I've seen are King Airs. With anything smaller than the 200, you can log PIC time for all time which you were manipulator of the controls, since they do not require a type, just a multi-commercial. Anything larger than the 200 are heavier than 12500 lbs., require a type, and are single pilot (unless you stack 10 people in a 350, which is uncomfortable but possible). In this case, you are unable to log SIC (one pilot a/c in 99% of the missions), you are unable to log PIC (no type). You could log dual received if the person is an MEI, and, according to ATP privileges set forth in 61.167a, if they are an ATP, you could still log dual received, total, multi, but no SIC. However, I wouldn't be taking an internship if it was all right seat 350 time...this is a controversial topic as far as logging goes, and who knows how your future interviewers would feel about it, because the time you log would be neither SIC or PIC. Wow, I hope you followed on that mess.

To answer your original question...In a word, yes. When I made my regional application/resume blitz, I had about 650 TT with 130 in turboprops (most as SIC 1900), and around 250 multi. As a result, I was able to get a few interviews (Air Cargo Carriers, Big Sky, Colgan, and Great Lakes) under published mins. I talked to SkyWest recruiters face-to-face...and yes, they would not budge, at least not back then. I did not apply to Eagle or ASA, but they seemed more than willing to give my resume a hard look after talking to them, as well. Two of my friends with similar experience ended up getting jobs at Air Whiskey (to which I did not apply). The multi-turbine time speaks loudly to many regionals out there...even though some may still give you the snub due to total time, it is a worthwhile experience if the time is legit.

Good luck.

135 SIC. You can be flying as an SIC in a friggin' Cessna 150 under Part 135 and 100% legally log it as SIC if an SIC is required by OpSpecs and your POI signs off on it.

I do agree with you about instructing though...

I would preferably instruct when UND does their hiring workshop in August; this is just an idea in case that falls through. I might consider it anyway though.

Here's the job description I copied and pasted:
Responsible for assisting in the daily activities of the Fargo Jet Center's Charter/Lifeflight operations; assist in all the aspects of flight duties; aid in the loading/unloading of lifeflight patients; loggable SIC Part 135 flight time in King Air 200/C90 and Navajo; expect 250+ SIC flight hours.

Thanks guys for the input.

Dude...you can do it. As a former UND grad...I say get the multi time. You can toss your resume to the commuters you want and build time. There are the "published" minimums and there is what they will take. If they call you in for an interview with the time stated on your resume they would not be wasting their time. As far as the "guy that was asked to leave an interview" sounds like the same guy that "didn't pass his check-ride because his paper work was not filled out right"

There is a wide range of applicants at the commuters and they will take into account what you have been doing and where you have been...they people making the decisions try to look at this thing called the "big picture."

Network...while you are in Fargo you can hang out at WMI and get more multi time when your intern is over...see you at FedEx in a few years!

Best of Luck...BWP...OUT!

Sounds like very legit time, go for it!

I know of that internship.. It is a great opportunity. In the past, they have offered people the opportunity to stay there and fly for them. You DO get a check-ride and ARE typed in the aircraft. Plus, you get to sit right seat in the Citation (good experience, can't log the time though). Interviewers will love that you have lots of time in a King Air. I'd say go for the internship. Minimums for regionals are falling and you will have a good shot with your hours.

I just got finished with the very internship you are talking about.
Yes you get trained and signed off as a 135 SIC. No you are not typed in the King Air but you can log every minute of it under multi-trubine-SIC. Their opperation does require there be an SIC in the plane so it is legit even though the plane can legally be flown single pilot. You also do not sit right seat in a citation. They do not own a citation.

SO far there have been 5 interns that have gone through it. 4 are at regionals 1 is in a pool.

I walked in with about 275 TT and walked out with 650 TT. If my math is correct thats about 375 turbine SIC. It helped me get 3 interviews and an airline job. Like some have said Skywest as well as some others will not budge on their time though.

It is a great experience and you learn a ton about flying away from UND. even though they just got 3 new interns, call the guys in Fargo soon.

Exx

This is a rare sweet deal... go for it, you can instruct later to get your total time up to wherever you want, but a few hundred hours of ME/Turbine is golden (and hard to come by).

Doesn't the 1200 TT apply to 135 PIC's, not SIC's?

Hey, so where did you end up living when doing this? It says on the post in our student services that there is "affordable housing available." Do they put you up someplace close to the airport?
Also it says that there is an opportunity to work for the Jet Center (or somwhere on the airport) while flying. How did that work out?
Thanks for your input!

A lot of companies are using resume scanners for the online applications. If it doesn't meet the minimums they will never see it. Try to get in front of a recuiter, i.e. Air Inc style job fair, I am sure you will get many bites. Good Luck.

we lived about 2 blocks from NDSU. it was about a 5 minute drive to the airport. we lived in a house there. one of the captains commuted when he was on call so he rented it and we just payed him rent money. However, I dont think he is doing that this time around. The new interns all wanted to live on their own so he gave it up.

You do have to live close to the airport too, because you have to be wheels up like 30 minutes after call out. The guys at jet center would have a better idea of the current situation.

You can work for Jet Center too. It would be doing line service type stuff but you generally get the jobs no one else wants to do. It doesnt pay well but its only like 15 hours a week generally. so you get a little beer money.