Warning to new hires
 

I'm hearing about many new hires at the AA wholly owneds getting class dates, but not showing up to class without letting the airline know they've accepted another offer. While I have no problem what airline you choose to go to that fits the QOL items you seek, I strongly encourage all of you to let the airlines you are turning down know. No matter the regional, that is not a good practice and can harm you down the road. While it may be ok with the independent airlines, remember that all the wholly owneds are just that, owned by the majors themselves and therefore in direct contact with companies you wish to work for in the long run. Don't ruin that by not doing something as simple as making a courteous call to say you've taken another position.

Some airlines have a "no rehire" policy. Once they have your SSN, you're done.

In all honesty you should make that courtesy call to any airline that you choose not to show up to class for. It's professional courtesy. But as the OP said, that could come back to bite you.

Which ones, please? Would be good to know.

I get it, you had a change of heart and decided Skywest was better than psa but good grief I don't understand why some people cant take the 3 minutes to send an email or make a phone call. All of which can be done over that thing that is in your pocket or in from of your face 20 hours a day.

CAL used to. UAL may or may not have adopted that. AA did in the past.

Wouldn't say that. Some of these companies are so desperate they are hiring people once thought to be unemployable (excessive DUIs, etc). However you never want to burn a bridge unless forced to. Always good to be nice to everybody and give proper notice when leaving, or deciding to take another offer. Good will never hurts anybody.

JetBlue currently does.

Who the heck wants to fly for american anyway....

I feel the same way buddy!

Why bother creating this post? I'd let these morons dig their own graves. Less competition for me through natural selection.

Envoy does, and AA can see it and use it for consideration

Not many, but a couple have done the same at Endeavor. And with Commutair having a better link to United now, that's another one that could.

Boom. /EndThread

About 16,000 pilots who have applied. 😏

OK, but other than that...

There are only 3 majors. Does anyone truly have the luxury of waiting months or years for the preferred company to call?

Why not american?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Majo..._United_States
I think there are more than 3 majors. Could be wrong though.

Ok, I'll bite. What's wrong with AA? Why would you not want to fly for them?

A perceived stinginess among management and a very underwhelming reception to "the new American." I think the payrates will be lower than United and Delta's too. Parker might've been better than Smisek, but I'd rather negotiate with Munoz or Anderson in the future.

I could be wrong on this or have an outdated perception, but I think UAL/DAL have more widebody jobs too.

But that being said, yes, most guys would still happily accept a class date at AA.

Ok, let me retry that...

3 legacy major carriers that characteristically are known for flying large aircraft and having the best pay and benefits, they are the ones most pilots in the industry aspire to work for. The commonly used definition. Not the wiki version.

Hopefully that's enough qualifiers, lol.

Well, he's technically right. A major airline is any airline with more than $1 Billion in annual revenues. However, I believe, your intent is commonly understood.


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There's no way you were actually being serious posting that link.

Would it hurt a new hire to respectfully decline a position at one wholly owned for another? Say someone turned down Envoy for Endeavor, do you think the legacy codeshare would later look unfavorably on that?

This is exactly what I'm planning on. Glad to see someone else in the same boat


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If you choose another job over a certain company, as long as you let them know respectfully that you appreciate the offer but have found something else that better suits you, then you're fine. The company will drop everything on you and you will disappear from their minds and system. When they give people class dates and offers, and then the person is a no show or just disappears, this is when you begin to make lists that you don't want to be on.

It's done all the time. Just as people leave one regional for another, pretty much every single day. The key to success is to be polite and professional. Burned bridges not only hurt you, but others around you sometimes.

This is APC. I would have been more confused if someone hadn't made a black and white, them vs me kind of comment. One's choices in their aviation careers carries only one correct answer and everyone who doesn't pursue that same course is wrong.

interesting you should say that....I hope you like the 145

Even if AA isn't someone's first choice, who is bypassing that invite to stay at a regional? Fact: Working for AA is better than working for any regional.

Wow... you might want to read the OP's post a couple of more times.

You are completely wrong.


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Care to elaborate?

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We need a font dedicated to sarcasm. I was hoping this would be taken in the humorous way it was meant.


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I was thinking the same thing...hence my tagline in the original post :cool:

DAL has the same policy.

Bottom line treat any major airline (and any company associated with them including wholly owned regionals and ground handling services) with kid gloves in all of your dealings with them. The number of airlines is shrinking and if you burn too many bridges you might find yourself in career checkmate. Very stupid to blacklist yourself over something as trivial as a timely/respectful resignation or decline of job offer. Do it in writing...if time is of essence then call abd follow up with a letter. Give them two weeks notice AT THE VERY LEAST.

I know a military guy who lost a CJO because of something like this that happened years in the past before he even joined the Navy. Didn't give two weeks notice as a ramper in his small hometown...the station was handled by a wholly-owned regional which no longer exists but the major STILL had the records. Actually he says he did give notice but somehow there was confusion and the supervisor put him down as not eligible for rehire. This is a great dude with master's degrees and all the gucci top gun boxes checked but he got torpedoed by something a bull ramper with a GED did 20 years ago.

Not to mention it takes a spot in class away from someone who would really like to be there.

There were guys who'd left Eagle for TWA and didn't give two weeks notice, that when AA bought TWA they were let go. Even if it had been years before.

THAT is how vindictive these people can be. No matter the circumstances or how bad you hate them, take the high road. You just never know.

No way. Unions would never allow that. I call BS on that rumor.