United's death to the 50 seaters
 

According to a recent article in money magazine United is going to replace half the 50 seaters flown by their regional partners...

Good news for United frequent fliers. The airline is buying 40 new Boeing 737-700 airplanes to replace some of the smaller, older planes operated by its regional carriers.

This is good news for everyone, not just frequent fliers.

Hopefully just the beginning.


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My guess would be those would all be Republic?

Republic doesn't fly 50 seaters for United, just Delta.

United's death to the 50 seaters
 

Exactly, sounds more like SkyWest or ExpressJet.


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This pretty much guarantees that LXJT is done in 2019. Between TSA and Commutair flying about 100 E145s that wouldn't leave any room for LXJT. I read that United will park about 100 E145s over the next 3 years and it seems all will be from XJT. Good news is they might get a small extension until 2019 but it seems that will be the end.

What does this mean for companies that don't have anything larger than a CRJ-200 or ERJ-145? Will they go belly up in the next few years? If companies don't want these aircraft won't they continue the trend of moving those routes to larger aircraft?


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Not to worry, all the LXJT guys and gals will be at United by then.

Not necessarily directed at HeyOneTaco.

Is there any room left in legacy scope clauses for more 70+ seaters to replace 50 seaters? I know there's been quite a lot awarded in the last couple years, and I'm not sure how the various scope clauses read.


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All 2100? Every single one? Wow that is great for them!

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Unfortunately they won't be replaced one-for-one. Some routes offer easy up-gauging, but those frequent-fliers who are going to "love" the removal of 50 seaters will hate when *mid-sized-city* has three flight options then sits four hours in Denver for the next Podunk Express. Hey my nipples are as hard as the next guys to move flying to mainline but the landscape of air travel we and the public have grown accustomed to will be changed. Frequency breeds business, always has.
Commuting could get even worse too. It's not all gold.

I think what will happen over the next few years will be good for the industry and the profession long term. Although I think it will be a tough transition and a difficult pill to swallow for many. Regionals will shrink. 50 seaters will go away. Many cities will experience less frequency of flights as those three 50 seat RJs are replaced either by one mainline flight or maybe even one or two 80ish seat RJ flights. Other cities will lose air service altogether. Commuting will become more and more difficult.

I had a feeling that Boeing was going to make it tough on United to want to start flying 175s, 190s, or even the C-series. I'm sure they made them a sweet deal for those 73's.

Not another RJ death thread. Seems like there's as many RJs now as there ever were. As long as gas is cheap and they're able to find pilots, they will keep flying them.

Thats a lot of caveats. Gas won't be cheap forever. Pilot supply is already showing signs of drying up. It isn't about cheap gas and pilots. 50 seaters aren't as profitable.

54 RJs going away this year at UAL. Get yourself a seat at the dinner table....or be left with the scraps.

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That's what they said a few years ago too, look at rah for example. Their 145s were going to be dumped a while ago, they even announced it. The United and AA RJs are currently being shuffled around to the lowest bidder, PDT and Commutair. There's still RJ flying to be had it's absolutely about cheap gas and finding pilots.

54 United RJs are going away while 40 175s are added.

25 of those 54 are CRJ700s and 13 are Q400s. The remaining 16 RJs are E145s.

Any ideas where the losses in flying will come from? Also, 40 175s to be operated by who?

Today, the oil futures for DEC 2024 are still at $47.5/barrel. Those 50 seaters will fly as long as the airframes have cycles and pilots.

I was pretty excited when I saw the CI's creep up to 30, and now a few months later, I'm seeing CI's in the 40+

United is still in the market for 100 seat aircraft. What else does your crystal ball say..?

The 40 additional E175s in 2016 are from Skywest, Republic and Mesa. More coming online in 2017 also.

The two companies that operate E145s for United are Expressjet and TSA. The losses are probably Expressjet's. And more E145 losses in 2017 probably.

The three companies that operate 700s for United are Skywest, Mesa and Gojet. Skywest, most likely will lose 700s.

I didn't say the 737s were the nail in the coffin for UAL buying the C-Series. I just figured Boeing would sweeten that pot to entice United into buying them.

And I'm selling the winning numbers to the next powerball, just DM me your email and I'll send you wiring instructions to my account in Switzerland.

I'm admittedly not very familiar with the UAL regional ops... Why would SkyWest lose the 700s over Mesa or GoJet?

Question, with the addition of the 737-700 to the United fleet, how many large regional jets does that increase that united can have on property per scope and how many can they add to the regionals if they park fifty seaters?

None. It was determined IIRC that the language in UALs contract that says "new narrow bodies" had to be a new type of airframe, not more of the same, i.e. E190/C series.

The info I posted took no more than a couple minutes to dig up on United's website. If I had to guess, maybe Skywest traded 700s for E175s? Gojet and Mesa probably operate the 700s cheaper than Skywest.

Ha. Good one.

Really hate to derail this thread but what will happen to all of Uniteds EAS work? Places like Devils lake can't take anything bigger than a -200

There will be 50 seaters for the foreseeable future. Just not as many.

TSA was supposed to get 36. I've heard rumors that they are not going to take all of them now. Commutair is scheduled to get 40. UAL just said that they plan to park about half of the 50 seaters they have now. That leaves about the 125 scope choke that UALPA has in their contract.

That's false. Deliveries are as scheduled until August. Our completion factor has been right around goal and our hiring has been steady and increased. They wouldn't cancel deliveries. Your sources are incorrect.

They said they are parking 100 E145s through 2019, with TSA having about 50, Commutair getting 40, and the SkyWest United CRJ200s that is all the 50 seat RJs United will have after 2019.

What is the source on this info?

Heard Blowjet could lose 15 700s for United...

I think anyone of SKW/gojet/mesa who can't staff them or has any other operational issues/breach of contract could lose some or all of their 700 UAX flying.