Absolutely, 70% of 87 is 61, thus a minimum of 61 new CA upgrades.

Hearing a lot of rumors that AAG wants 100% of its 2017 new hires to come from its flow up through the wholly owneds. If so, that would be crazy movement at the AAG regionals.

If AAG could make their flow program actually work, it would be all that it would need to keep their regionals full.

If people were guaranteed a mainline job at AA in 5-6 years, but had to start at PDT/PSA/Envoy, many would take it. But, unless it is proven to actually work, it is useless as a bargaining tool.

This sounds like something Mason said was going to happen for Eagle pilots back in '14. Wouldn't believe it until I saw it.

Not 100% correct - the flow right now under the 824 agreement is 50%, meterable to 30. After the 824, the protected pilot group starts at 35% until the delivery of the 40th 175. At that point, it returns to 50% (we are currently ahead of schedule of 175 deliveries) until the last protected pilot flows. Then it drops to 35%. That is sometime off though, unless you are saying the flow will be fast...

The end of the 824 and the 40th 175 will have very little gap, if any at all. It will be a while until your possible future comes to fruition without violating the envoy contract.

From Letter 15-01:

Upon delivery of the 40th EMB-175 as set forth in Appendix D, and assuming there are still pilots who were added to the Envoy master seniority list on or before October 11, 2011 who have not yet been offered a flow through opportunity, 50% of all AA new hire training slots, no fewer than 25 per month (subject to the 50%), shall go to such Envoy pilots, until the point in time when the next pilot on the Envoy master seniority list to be offered a flow through opportunity was hired after October 11, 2011.

As awesome as that would be, that wouldn't make much sense. They can be most selective with OTS applicants now and don't have to risk creating huge staffing issues at all three of the WOs simultaneously, forcing them to raise compensation there to attract applicants.

A couple of points:

The number of pilots between the Protected Pilot group (flows at 25/month) and newhires is still very small because Envoy has not hired many that have stuck around. I don't have the actual numbers in front of me, but I believe it's less than 300 pilots. So get in as soon as you can, if you're coming for the flow.

2nd point:

While PDT is projecting a fast flow, their numbers are based on their seniority list growing rapidly. As we've already seen at PSA, tripling the size of an airline is full of growing plains and is not likely to be as smooth as projected.

Envoy's flow is set in the contract and the numbers will not vary depending on the size of our seniority list.


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Where are these Angles? I was told 2.5 years. How much does Viagra cost?

It took 4 pages, but someone finally got the numbers right. PDT's current flow rate is slower than Envoy's.