GoJets passes contract
 

GoJets passes contract
https://teamster.org/news/2016/03/te...gojet-airlines

Last week.....

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Can someone post the bullet points?

1. Hourly rate- About standard.
2. Hours you get compared to other for what you do, about 60%.
3. Long term Disability-60% of salary but then they limit it to 1000 per month. So it is really about 20% of salary. Doesn't matter, they will fire you before they ever pay you disability.
4.Minimum hours per day 4, if you work the entire 24 hour day. If you start after noon or end before 1700 then there is no guarantee for that day. Thus, 4 day trip beginning at 12:05 and ending at 16:55 the guarantee is 8 hours.
5. Promise not to fire everyone so often. They claim the post-firing procedures will not be so much of a joke anymore.
7. Gojet wins, pilots stupid.
8. Gojet remains an airline not to consider going to unless you have no other choices. When you don't make it through Envoy training, when Mesa fires you, after the FAA questions your sanity, and when you have no self respect, then come see me and we will get you signed up. Shinny jets, 80% of the flight attendants weigh under 200 lbs, shinny jets.
9. Gojet has the smartest owner in the industry without a doubt. Just look at what he got the pilots to sign!

Can't be the smartest owner, he hired Steve Briner in the past.

Even SB couldn't stand the place. He bailed last November.

Whoa, OK, anybody that reads this, it says a lot

He made it what it is. He started out wanting to treat the pilots nicely but then turned around and did everything the old Gojet way. I don't think he left voluntarily. I am very surprised that he found a place to go. He left it a real mess.

Steve was one of the scummiest people I've ever worked for.

Is Ord really going to close and when?

Heard that from a buddy of mine who is ORD based a couple days ago. He said his family and him are weighing options as they don't want to live in STL.

Looks like my post a couple of weeks back is already becoming a reality. If you are not out seriously looking at other options yesterday you are already behind the power curve. Left or Right seat.

Where is this rumor of closing chicago coming from.

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Wow, that's weak!
Who in the right mind would vote this garbage in during a pilot shortage?

Can someone post a summary here of the new TAs "improvements"
Pay ratehttp://images.intellitxt.com/ast/adTypes/icon1.png increase – Captains 7+% pay raise for CA’s, year one starts at $67.39
First Officers 1st year $36.50 can be increased to $41.00 without renegotiating, $11.75 increase over present pay
rateshttp://images.intellitxt.com/ast/adTypes/icon1.png. Minimum Day Pay Credit – 4 hours per day
Cancellation Pay – Once notified 100% guaranteed
Premium Pay – Open Time 150% Flagged Trips 200%
Extension and Junior Assignment Pay – clarified language, JA only twice a month not 3 Deadhead Pay – 75 %

now in 2 years 100 %
Taxi Pay – 15 min (up from 12) or actual block whichever is greater
Customs Pay – 18 min NEW!
Non Routine Flight Operations (NRFO) Pay
Flight Pay based on Marketing Times not Average Segment Times, Marketing
Times are published by legacy to DOT. This will result in a 3-6% per leg increase in pay over current pay
Drug Testing Pay –
Holiday Pay – 150% six holidays
Per Diem – Increase from $1.60 to $1.80 up to $1.90
Minimum Monthly Guarantee(MMG) – 75 hours, Line holders, Reserves, New Hires
New Aircraft Type – Baseball style arbitration. If no agreement goes to an arbitrator, time limit and pay retro to Aircraft entering service.

Greatly expanded Hotel Quality language

SECTION 7 HOURS OF SERVICE
Days Off – Line holder 12 in 31 day month, 11 in a 30 day month Reserve 11
Deadheading – after 14 hour duty day only with pilot concurrence
SECTION 8 SCHEDULING
Bidding Process – Opens on a concrete unmoved day every month
Seniority Open Time(SOT) prior to Final Bid Award, better rules
Reserve will bid PBS
Open Time that is published can be bid and awarded Expanded language on all bidding processes
Commuter Clause – Increased from 2 to 3 occurrences Waiver for major airport occurrences
Commuter hotels paid for by the company (Section 26)
SECTION 9 RESERVES
Reserve Lines – Bid through PBS

All are Awarded Long Call
LC Can be converted to SC but only twice a month
Days off can’t be moved without pilots consent
Minimum of 2 days off between Reserve Blocks unless waived
Reserve Assignments – SILO, and FIFO
Reserve availability to be made visible via the web
LC is a 12 hour call out SC is a 2 hour call out Reserve p

FYI this ORD rumor is absolutely false....anytime anyone uses the phrase "my buddy" on this forum...take caution.

Drug testing pay? What kind of drugs are they paying to have you test?

Sorry, had to.


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false....rumors can be neither true or false but involve the unknown. Rumor is you don't know what you are talking about while rumor has it you might be right. There is no fun in the airline world without rumors.

United did not renew 2 Skywest crj-700 contracts in Chicago so those planes are going to American in LAX. Gojet's United contracts are coming up and United freely says it doesn't want 700s in Chicago. I don't think it is a stretch to believe they will be moving those planes out of Chicago. They have already moved much of the flying out to Denver. Even much of the Skywest flying is out of Chicago, the trips start in Chicago and come back 4 days later. Skywest is getting 175s to replace the CRJs in Chicago. Gojet isn't.

I guarantee the last people to know the base is closing are the Gojet people who refuse to look at the obvious. Of course Delta or American may take the 700s. Plan on moving out of Chicago Gojet. Does anyone really want Gojet to do their flying with their recent performance? Rumor has it ...

MrStl,

Do you work for TSA or G7? You come across like a know it all that actually fills himself with a bunch of BS. I have two good friends at G7 and they said that the company stated they renewed the contracts on the United airplanes 6 months or so ago and this was announced on a company call in show. Being that your user name is MRstl this makes me 100% sure you are a tool and most likely a management worm!!!

Not happening. Contract was already renewed. Move on buddy.

If he were a management person he would be talking more like you, 3kids. Doesn't Randy have 3kids? The company has never said the contract has been renewed and United has never said the contract has been renewed. The company never announced it on a call-in show either, although they might have said something to make people think it has been renewed. I just spent 30 minutes checking the internet for any possible announcement, which clearly would have been made by Gojet in their recruitment efforts, nothing. Kind of like their 60% long term disability language, you are forgetting the 1000 per month limit, what they say may be misleading.

I am definitely hoping that you are correct because I don't want to commute. But United has been clear, they don't want the CRJ-700s in Chicago and have been moving them out for almost 2 years now. They did not renew the Skywest contracts. If Gojet is going to stay in Chicago it will be because of the arrival of 170s/175s or maybe those MRJs if they ever come. For recruitment purposes they might do what we do for Delta in RDU, keep a few crews in ORD and fly them out to DEN or IAD for the actual flying. Heck we did that from 2006 til 2009, ORD was where you began and 4 days later you usually deadheaded back. But, unless we get the new type ORD will go bye bye or will be shrunk to nothing. Don't come to G7 if you need to live in ORD.

Also, look at the Envoy news today, they are going 170 too and I think that Chicago will become the battleground. Nobody wants to stand in that freezing jetway for the ramp people to carry the carryons across the ice while their connection is about to push back. I hate it as much as the passengers do. One question, aren't you happy when you find out you are deadheading to Chicago on a 175 instead of a CRJ?

How is the DEC program working out?

I just received my offer letter for DEC.
My current gig is going away. Need somthing else.

You're actually going to GoJets?

If you were my worst enemy in the world I advise you to reconsider going to Gojet.
If you were my best friend in the world I would demand that you not go to Gojet!

Absolutely the worst decision I ever made.

The MRJs, which will never fly for any regional are going to TSA per a LOA

Another reason not to go to Gojet. Is there any future at Gojet or for Gojet? It seems like they are winding down and only want to hire pilots to finish things up. The United flying from ORD is going and the Delta flying is going to Endeavor, I believe I heard. TSA is getting the MRJs. The pilots took a lousy contract because of what reason? Better a little more for a short time than less for a short time. Maybe that was a good move. The DO is gone and they replaced him with a guy who has no idea what a DO does. Seems short term.

I'm betting they won't be flying past the 15th of September. But this is only based upon upon the clues I can see like everyone else. Would love to hear other predictions.

I would recommend collecting unemployment for a couple months (maybe not that long until you get a call from a decent company) and do the research. You will make more money on unemployment than working for GoJet. Zero health insurance, no 401k and get ready to submit pay discrepancy reports. Good luck, I hope you chose wisely. The stressful environment that they promote isn't worth the sacrifice.

I want hear from someone with experience on the DEC program at Gojets.

Elite airways running class April 18 looking for crj guys and gals. We fly 200/700 in scheduled ops and ncaa charter. Home based. Send resume to [email protected]

I as well would like to hear from someone who has gone through the DEC. Does GoJet have a FOQA and ASAP program?

Would you mind being a bit more specific on why it was a bad decision? Was it because of standardization and safety issues or something less severe like pay discrepancies and hotel quality?

With the new contract, pay is on par with everyone else. Things really aren't as bad here as everyone says. Most of the horror stories you hear on this website happened in years past, things are better now. The crews are good, hotels are the same that everyone else stays at. My only real complaint is that the planes are sort of maintenance hogs, but it's not that big of a deal.

Can anyone say what life is like as a DEC here? Overall? Average pay hours per month, etc.....?

Haven't been trough the DEC, but Gojet does have ASAP and a basic FOQA program

Where will you be based? You will be on RSV for a long time, so living in base is key.

Since it sounds like DEC will just be a persistant junior captain, then tell us what the likely junior base will be. I assume ORD. RDU sounds like it would be a massively senior base. IS that right?

Lets start with the obvious, Gojet has been around for 11 years and is hiring captains off of the street. They are not expanding requiring an increase in pilots. Isn't it obvious that there has to be a big big problem here? Do you want your career to be affected by the problem? Is that upgrade 6 months earlier really worth destroying your chances of ever getting to a major and spending the rest of your career flying for a regional or other of the less desirable carriers? Some may make it through unharmed but many do not. And when Gojet screws someone over do you think they put out an announcement? The person is gone and no longer seen or heard from again. You may not even notice they are gone and may never know why. They-call-me-Red is comparing turds with apples. They may be the same size and they may both be picked up and carried in baggies after they fall but they are not the same.

Therefore, I must respectfully disagree with Red. Lets start with his "Pay is on par with everyone else" - Only the rate, which means little because you get so much less credit. A 4 day trip at skywest would pay a minimum of 16.8 hours but the same trip would pay a minimum of 8 hours at Gojet. At 80 an hour that would be a difference of $708 for the 4 day trip. A standup from 8pm to 8am, 4 hours of pay at Gojet and 6 at Skywest. There goes another quick $160. A gojet pilot flying from Denver to Chicago would make 120 while the Skywest pilot would get $240. There goes $120 while you sit.

Same hotels, sometimes but not always. G7 might put you in a nice Holiday Inn where they get a good price because the elevators don't work. Third floor is a long way to drag your bags.

"Not as bad as EVERYONE says." You need to get out of the office Red. I recommend that you trust EVERYONE when it comes to your career. "Most of the horror stories are from years past", yes Red, but they are still happening.

The planes are "maintenance hogs". When planes break the best thing to do is to fix them. The wrong thing to do is to adjust something that will not fix the problem and then call it fixed only to have the problem on a later flight. Tends to make the airplane a "maintenance hog". Why are the same planes not the maintenance hogs at the other airlines?

"Most of the horror stories you hear on this website happened in years past, things are better now." They are still going on, just not to Red. Red is able to just look the other way and tell himself that the guy must have deserved it. They are happening today and they will continue tomorrow.

When an alligator eats one of your kids he may sit an sleep for a while. He may look peaceful and content. You should not let your other kids now play with the alligator just because the alligator says he has learned to be nicer because nobody wants to play with him anymore. When he gets hungry he will eat another one of your kids.

Go Gators! (Isn't it creative how I worked that in!)

Twas but just the first offer I received. It looks like ill be going somewhere else.

BadDeal, thanks for taking the time to post. As someone who doesn't know any GoJet pilots, I'm not privy to the stories of guys just disappearing. What type of things are folks shown the door for?