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CBreezy 04-21-2016 04:12 PM


Originally Posted by SEPfield (Post 2114368)
How about we just let NAI fly and we can all grieve it after the fact. Isn't that the ALPA way?

No. That's the regulatory way.

FirstClass 04-21-2016 04:16 PM


Originally Posted by SEPfield (Post 2114368)
How about we just let NAI fly and we can all grieve it after the fact. Isn't that the ALPA way?

That's sounds very appropriate for alpa, it's right in their wheelhouse.

CBreezy 04-21-2016 04:30 PM


Originally Posted by FirstClass (Post 2114380)
That's sounds very appropriate for alpa, it's right in their wheelhouse.

Again. That's regulatory. Google "obey now, grieve later." ALPA didn't invent it.

FirstClass 04-21-2016 04:42 PM


Originally Posted by CBreezy (Post 2114385)
Again. That's regulatory. Google "obey now, grieve later." ALPA didn't invent it.

Alpa supports it, I can guarantee you.

manilo52 04-21-2016 05:04 PM

You guys aren't actually the real questions here...

Whats starting pay and what bases do yall think theyll start up??

CBreezy 04-21-2016 05:18 PM


Originally Posted by FirstClass (Post 2114389)
Alpa supports it, I can guarantee you.

They have to. Just line ALPA supports FAR 121/117. It's a Federal Regulation. And repealing the RLA could be way more disastrous for labor than you can imagine especially in an anti-labor society.

I know you think you know it all because you went to some garbage aviation "university" but you are clueless

LostMedic 04-21-2016 05:28 PM

Outsider,

I respect that, and I had not really thought of it in those terms. In short I think there is a bigger systemic problem in our line of work. We have been pitted against each other like gladiators. But once they need to address the regional employees with as much or more vigor that this NAI nonsense.

I will leave it too cooler heads to prevail, but a lot of us are stuck here wondering if we will ever see the light at the end of the tunnel that has been touted to us so often.

LostMedic 04-21-2016 05:30 PM

Starting pay from the FO I talked ton in CPH was around 90k and they have a JFK and MAI dorm I do believe. Correct me if I am wrong, my memory of the convo maybe mistaken.

full of luv 04-21-2016 05:40 PM


Originally Posted by FirstClass (Post 2114389)
Alpa supports it, I can guarantee you.

What's the alternative?

Each line pilot makes a snap judgement to an alleged contract violation and refuses to fly that flight/trip.

Said pilot is fired by company.

Union goes through grievance process to get wrongfully pilot reinstated, (process takes 1week, 1month, 1 yr, 1 decade?)

Pilot tries to survive in the interim not knowing how long the process will take.

That whole solution doesn't sound grand, so even at the Majors, Union advice (ALPA, SWAPA, APA, etc) is unless you are being told to break the law, you should fly the dispute and let the union fight for you after the fact. At a major you have 13,000 pilots with 12,994 interpretations of any one section of the contract.

squib 04-21-2016 06:07 PM


Originally Posted by manilo52 (Post 2114401)
You guys aren't actually the real questions here...

Whats starting pay and what bases do yall think theyll start up??


If this is a serious question, it's idiots like you and others alike in this thread that actually support this that are the problem with this industry today. Get your head out of your ass. There was a time when not every idiot with a commercial certificate got hired. Regional minimums were 2500TT+ without being required to be so. Now everyone thinks they should be in the left seat of a heavy a couple years after their first solo.

Approval of NAI has no benefit to any US pilot.


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