Deny NAI
 

DENY NAI

This seems to have been only talked about in the Major section. It effects us all though. Everyone should sign it!

ALPA's call to action also includes contacting your Representatives:
https://crewroom.alpa.org/alpa/deskt...e&IssueID=1943

It's important, but I wish there was as much energy spent on regionals and international scope.

Bull, Alpa has done for years to the regionals what they are complaining what may happen by NAI.

Airline management in USA is already looking into foreign pilots.

So bull to Alpa.

Is NAI hiring? Minimums? Upgrade time?

bingo!!!!

F*ck alpa

Deny NAI
 

You can be mad that the regionals exist. But if you want to have a good job to move on to, send in a letter. It takes less than a minute.

Making a stand against ALPA is a separate issue. If this goes through, we all lose.


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Get the he// out of our forum. We don't need you slumin it with us over here in regional world. You got some nerve. I'll be looking to get a job at NAI at the first opportunity.

What comes around, goes around... Be nice to see the majors whipsawed

This is extremely short sighted you two. Unless of course you have no plan to fly for anything other than a regional.

I plan to fly for NAI. Then an LCC second. United is second from the bottom of my list, followed by American at the bottom. Delta isn't even being considered, too prissy. I don't like the way they consume all the radio time talking to center about the weather. Southwest is out too, you'll never upgrade to Captain.

Popcorn <---- ----> Beer

this should be a good watch.

Wow...

Filler.

Ignore the local court jesters, they mostly work for psa. 99% of us aren't like that.

Take the 3 seconds to sign the petition.

Also back the pac it's your only voice in dc even just 1 buck a month. You can have it taken out with your dues here

http://www3.alpa.org/ALPAPAChome/ALP...7/Default.aspx

This is our only voice in the corrupt political machine.

I'm so glad you chose PSA over Envoy. I would really hate to work with you.

I'm considering leaving PSA for Envoy.

The only thing corrupt here is Alpa.

I actually would like to see that interview.

I'll record it.

Listen, there seems to be a lot of things wrong with ALPA, as an outsider looking in, they desperately need to get back to their roots. That said, what you claim you're supporting is the start of a systematic threat to the survival of this career as we know it. It needs to be recognized as such by as many people as possible.

And that said, I guess it's one less guy I have to compete with for a legacy spot.

We live in a global economy now. You have to learn to embrace change, try to figure out how to capitalize from this is the smart move. This is a done deal. Burying your head in the sand isn't going to change anything. A lot of people outside of 50,000 airline pilots have more to gain.

And who's to say how things will turn out, more US airline pilots flying for more carriers with dwindling pilot supplies can only be a good thing for pilots.

Things are always in motion. What will change next? Recinding the 1500 hour rule? Going to age 67? Allowing retiring Captains to sit right seat till 75? Single pilot cockpits? Hyperloop rail?

Alpa is dead. Unions are dead. Try and see the bigger picture and position yourself to benefit.

Boy, you sure are special. Please, go try to get a job at NAI. Let us know how that works out. Oh, you won't because NAI isn't hiring pilots. You thought you had no control now?

We do live in a global economy however that doesn't mean you shouldn't fight to keep what you have and what this career can offer. What you are proposing is to the detriment of this career. You can enjoy that for yourself. I will not be joining you. Enjoy selling your soul for a pittance in that 787 seat.

Obviously you've been drinking lol.

NAI doesn't hire pilots. That's the point. The Singapore staffing agency hires pilots. You'd have to interview with them. Then they negotiate a deal for compensation with NAI. Which means even less money for you. If they are paying them less than what they would pay for pilots, Singapore Pilot Co would still need a substantial cut to run the company. That's even less wages for you the FO. But in reality, they wouldn't hire you because they'd rather fill that seat with a guy who is fresh out of flight school and willing to work for zero dollars to get flight time.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n6bPjl-e2PM

http://www.rishworthaviation.com/Opp...ype-rated.aspx

That's what you are too stupid to understand. You aren't working for either of those companies. NAS or Norwegian Long Haul are different companies. The staffing agency is a UK one. NAI will be a deep discount carrier and its staffing agency will be in Singapore. You should ask yourself why, if NAS is doing fine, would they need to use Ireland and Singapore instead of the current model. Think critically for once in your life and quit licking the window.

You posted a link to an employment agency that is staffing Norwegian Long Haul. That is a different job entirely than NAI.

It's all hypothetical anyway lol. Until they announce US pilot domiciles none of it matters.

Yes. And just like the US Cruise industry, all well paying US pilot jobs will be hypothetical if this is allowed to continue.

It's going to happen anyway.

Maybe as a result, the big 3 will decide to have a superior product. There moments away from being regulated anyway. Customer service is terrible.

You clearly know nothing about politics or regulation or globalisation or fair trade. Read a few books and come back then.

They're about to be regulated... This is the funniest thing I've read in a LONG time.

I just read small business kit for dummies, its pretty good. Incorporate and Grow Rich is another good one.

So you just proved my point. Carry on.

Funny...
 

May fav so far is have fun selling your soul. The point is ALPA has let the exact same thing happen in its back yard. The regional industry was sold down the river by ALPA by the major pilots to off set and increase their pay. While I was in CPH a while back I was talking to a new pilot for NAI, they start out at about 90k USD from what he was saying. So you looks like in the regional industry you can either sell you soul, or the pilots at the majors can sell it for you. Most of those pilots have never had to work a regional, and it shows.

Personally, I think if you are going to ask the regional guys to have you back, you should start having theirs. Stop saying well if you want to be here you have to help us. If you want to bully people go back to high school. These scare tactics only go so far, and since there is no promise of this movement to the majors, or help from the pilots at the majors, why should the regional pilots really care. The pilots at the majors have been using these pilots to prop up their jobs and the regional guys are feed up. I get it, why can't you?

If you want change and their support put this much effort into helping them, and I do believe they would have no problem back you up. Stop trying to strong arm them.

Agreed on all points but still, you are being a little shortsighted. If you want a job at a major airline in the next 10 years you will have one. No question about it, regardless of your background all regional pilots will have a major airline job in the next ten years IF you don't sell your future away now trying to stop this. That is the irony in your post, NAI won't harm current mainline pilots, it will harm you. ALPA is fighting for your future (and their future due monies).

I believe the saying is, don't cut off your nose to spite your face.

Once again, I agree that the model that NAI could be problematic, but why can't this kind of effort be mustered for the regional pilots? I am having a problem in that respect. It's like the king telling people they need to be taxed more to pay for some lavish palace. (Hey you can come by and visit, well from a few miles away)

Oh boy where to even start.

"regional pilots will have a major airline job in the next ten years IF you don't sell your future away now"

You act like its going to put the big 3 out of business. It's not. Quit placating us.

"ALPA is fighting for your future"

Alpa is an evil organization that must be disbanded altogether. Alpa only cares about alpa. They steal our dues while stepping on our necks. Eating steak and lobster while negotiated sh|tty contracts, letting the incompetent locals run amuck. Further, alpa doesn't take the temperature of the room before speaking on pilots behalf.

When Alpa needs something, we are a union. When alpa tries to distance itself, they claim thats what the local wanted.

I'm glad all this came up though, I have written my Congressmen and Senators about an hour ago and told them only certain pilots are against NAI, but at the regional level, where Congress knows we struggle to put food on the table, we support NAI and welcome them into our aviation family. We are looking forward to any employment that their presence brings. It will be good for the American worker, their families, and general competition overall.

I mean, they are. They are refuting claims that this is a pilot shortage and really a pay shortage.

www.alpa.org/en/advocacy/pilot-pay-shortage

And they made a video that was twice as long.

https://youtu.be/rHKanuyeawc

They are lobbying Congress for your pay. They just can't say "make them pay pilots more." That's a juvenile approach.

And by the way, I've been at my airline 4 years and make about $80k per year. You can't complain to the American people that you don't make enough when you make $80k after being in your job less than 5 years. If you can't put food on the table with that, then you should consider changing your spending habits