Article on ERAU and pilot shortage:
 

Seems like more of a plug for Embry Riddle than anything. The other stuff's been rehashed for years now.

Hahaha. Schools that charge an exorbitant amount for tuition are somehow the solution to the insurmountable costs of flight training. Seems plausible.

I very distinctly remember reading an article from ERAU like three years ago talking about how there is no pilot shortage.....

ERAU only says there is a pilot shortage when "admissions are low."

I remember when I bought into the pilot shortage bs when I went through training

Yep-

That fooled a lot of us.

Something ALWAYS happens to screw it all up.

Yeah, when American Airlines hires 1 out of every 100 applicants there's quite a shortage!

I legitimately chortled, thank you.

You win the internet tonight.:)

Do they make all students wear rubber gloves when sumping fuel? or is that a personal choice?

"On the industry side, regional carriers have significantly elevated salaries for rookie pilots so that they don't have to scrape by their first few years out of school. A year and a half ago, the average salary mark hovered in the mid-$20,000 range. It's now around $40,000."

Since when, is an ATP qualified, type-certificated pilot, considered a "rookie" pilot?

This article sends the douche-chill meter off the charts........as if ERAU wasn't bad enough......

Riddle/UND/ FSI: there all the same !!!...if there is a shortage why I haven't got a call from every single airline out there???, the day that happens, I will believe it !!!... And now an ATP is a rookie !!!???!!! F^*k ' em !!!!

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I always get a kick out of seeing the Kids from ERAU, at OSH each summer, outfitted in their pilot uniforms, complete with epaulettes, referring to each other as "Captain".

Where'd you find a picture of the virgin team.. er, I mean, flight team!?

1500hr cfi-freshly atp'd = rookie pilots. Sry, but true. 10 hrs done 150 x's does not make a seasoned pilot. However, if you come from a more diverse background (i.e.135 single pilot flying in inclimate wx at night) then your a least a journeymen.

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I'm going to go long here and say that you're resume is filled with spelling errors and there not interested in you cuz o dat. Yo.

I graduated from ERAU more than 25 years ago (though I was already CFI before enrolling). It was a very good education but it is not worth what it costs today.

Back in the late 1980s we were paying around $1,700 per semester, IIRC, in tuition. Now it looks like it's over $15,000. Even adjusting for inflation the $1,700 I paid is less than $3,300 in today's dollars.

Why would the kids these days choose to go to ERAU and plunge themselves deep into debt for the chance to make a whopping '$40k'? Go be a cop instead, make $120k, without the need to plunge into crushing debt.

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So how about it LAAAAMAAAAR, you going to raise the pay to $120k for your pilots after just a couple years in the seat?

The best advice given to me was to get an education outside of aviation, get the most versatile, least expensive BS degree that you can get. And then get flight training afterwards. I came out of college with less than $8k debt. Flight training is very expensive of course but yes, getting an expensive degree coupled with flight training almost guarantees a life of debt servitude.

The economics of being a pilot are far out of equilibrium (thanks to the government's over-regulation) which means something will break soon.

Sore pilotcrusader, I haf phat fingels & and mi auto spel is in da wai !!!!!



Fat fingers and me !!!!

I think he is referring to the RLA. Hard to fight for higher wages when you are legally forbidden to strike...(because we are so "essential to commerce"). I think laws like these definitely benefit the companies more..For example they can make three wholly owned, B scale companies and whipsaw them 'til the cows come home, but we can't strike.

Or maybe I'm going too far with this.

I think the RLA is more of a devil you know situation. The fact that both parties have to be released to self help is a good thing for everyone involved. Imagine the 2000s if the companies could have just imposed all of their contracts and hired temporary pilots.

Except the companies ARE imposing changes.... And ALPA is saying fly it and grieve it....

Hmm even if I agree, that shows faults within the union, not the law. Cbreezy may have a point, but I still think we are getting poked by the bad end of the stick.

Same example. A company that hires pilots to fly passengers creates and owns three "separate" companies, all flying the same passengers that they were paying a union contracted pilot group to fly. Except now they pay WAY less to fly the same passengers AND use the companies against each other to secure pay cuts from the labor group. And legally we have ZERO protection from this, that I can see. Getting everyone to vote "No" hasn't worked and isn't the same as legal protection. Separate contract companies are one thing, but I have a huge problem with the parent company owning and managing B scale companies for the sole purpose of acquiring cheaper labor.

Once again, I've taken it too far. My apologies.

ALPA isn't saying it. The NLRB and the NMB are saying it. That "fly now, grieve later" exists in many forms like "obey now, grieve later" and "work now, grieve later." You're organized labor and in the 21st century, just be happy unions have been banned entirely as the Right would like. The protection that you have with the RLA prevents the company from imposing contract terms and sets up an organized way to resolving disputes instead of striking every time someone is improperly junior manned.

Good points, but they have more tools than we do in the legal system. Our ONLY leverage is labor. And the law says we can't take that away until all the red tape has been cut. Meanwhile they can make cheap labor (by themselves, for themselves, and outside of negotiation!!) by OWNING and MANAGING "separate" companies in order to cut labor costs, harming pilots everywhere!

The only solution to this I see is a larger unified union (like ALPA) accepting only one contract for its pilots (yea right). Then we would have legal protection. Yes I know this is a stretch from our current reality. But so many of us are "ALPA" pilots yet there are so many different payscales. What's the point of unionizing, especially with these large national unions, if we are all on our own anyway???

Somewhere along the lines of this industry being formed into what it currently is, the scales of legal protection (and flexibility) were left unbalanced. IMHO

No, that IS the response and advice from ALPA legal. Fly it and grieve it is their position on how the RLA works.
Don't believe me; call Marcus Migliore at national legal and ask. If it's a contract dispute - all contract disputes are minor grievances under RLA - then you are told to fly it and grieve it.

As I said, fault within the union......

That's all unions. It would be the exact same with IBT, APA, or RJPA.

Indeed, as I said lol.

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What a rich college experience that must be. It looks like all the excitement of the marching band, chess club, and a robotics competition wrapped into one.

Harvard of the Sky, I'm sure. :rolleyes:

Number one qualifier of college selection, avoid any potential sausage fests.

Actually the government insuring the loans to students insures that the college will get whatever payment they ask for. Don't federally back the loans, no one could get one and tuition would have to drop.

Thats one clear case where federally guaranteed loans are causing a huge problem. Before these loans where guaranteed, kids where still going to college it was just a lot cheaper.

Now regional pay? Yeah I don't know about that.

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That's why I applied to an all girls college.

Juwanna Mann? :p