First Year Regional Pay
 

I know Endeavor pays 50K a year for the first year with the retention bonus. Wondering if anyone has made more than that at any other place as well? Please state the regional airline and any other details.

Endeavor has the best first year pay out there right now. But with the situation as it is right now bonuses are going to be popping up all over the place and I'm hoping in increasing amounts.

I went to Envoy a couple years ago only expecting the 5K signing bonus. Towards the end of my fourth year they will have paid me a minimum of 37.5k but with the profit sharing it's likely to be closer to 39/40K.

Hasn't this topic been beaten to death?

Some might find this helpful.

This is APC pay rates and bonuses pulled into one place for convenience. For hourly rates, if there were different rates for different A/C Types, a blended rate was used to keep it simple. Same thing for bonuses.

Every contract is different so this graph is only a starting point. Educate yourself on the different work rules and contracts which can affect your pay and QOL.

Some considerations:
Cancellation pay, DH pay, per diem, schedule flexibility, schedule quality, time on reserve, reserve schedules, time to upgrade, hotel quality, insurance/other benefits, commuter QOL issues, how many commuter hotels are offered (if any), Is a training contract required, etc.

Be aware that recruiters are selling a quick upgrade at many regionals, when the quick upgrade is possibly over. Upgrades can only happen if they can hire enough FOs to fill the right seat behind you. And I think we all see the writing on the wall, that that is becoming more difficult for every regional by the day. So just make sure that if you do get stuck in the right seat for a while, that your bank account can withstand it.

Good luck with your decision.

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This thing is somewhat out of date. As fast as things are changing, it would need to be updated every month.

Those Compass rates are not right.

Thanks for your feedback. This chart is updated when a contract rate or FO bonus changes, which has been about once or twice per month. If you see something incorrect (rates are on the bottom and directly from APC), please let me know. It is all current as of now.

The top chart is ANNUAL COMPENSATION as stated in the title and NOT RATES. The title explains the calculation (i.e. rates and bonuses). The rates are in the bottom chart.

As always, let me know if you see a rate in the bottom that needs to be updated. Thanks.

Try beating endeavors $93,000 now. Delta is paying for it. No match for the others.

I made 63k last year my first year. Remember, 57k is your basic pay if you don't fly at all whole year and sit home for reserve. So you are bound to pay more.

Plus the recommendation bonus is unlimited. One guy make 32 extra just from that.

Not sure where you guys are getting $93,000 and $57,000. 9E pays $30 per hour @ 75, so $27,000 for FY FO. Plus the $23,000 bonus, for a total of $50,000 before per diem or above guarantee. Just as the chart above shows.

When does Endeavor's retention bonus expire/end?

2018.

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If Endeavor is fully staffed, what are the chances that the retention bonus will be extended? Especially with mainline taking delivery of new airplanes to replace the regional pilots, Endeavor will have to shed pilots. The lucky ones at the top will go to Delta. The rest will find their way to another regional.

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Pushing $100,000 as a relatively new FO at a regional? I'm sending another resume. A guy could just retire on that, who cares about upgrades or flows!

Are Envoy's and PSA's retention bonuses reflected in this?

That's a 3 year running total...

Over $100,000 for the first 3 years is now the baseline industry standard.

With the retention bonus at the AA WO regionals, all current FO's will make over $120,000 in 3 years.

Closer it $155k if you keep credit high each month and include per diem.

The chart is based on minimum guarantee. It is not what you will actually make. Everyone makes more then minimum. That is why you will make more than the minimum. Makes sense?

See if you can keep up.

Guy things you'll make $100k a year at a regional new hire as per the chart.

Severe letdown occurs when he realizes it's a 3 year running total in that time frame.

On a side note, how in the world is Mesa filling classes? Is it their domiciles?

Thanks, but I got that the first time.

Mesa has good bases, and has a really short upgrade time. That is helping. They also will hire anything that moves with no interview. The WO carriers for AAG have a minimum requirement that they all have to meet (x number of checkride failures, background issues, test scores). If you have failed out of another airline, have a bunch of checkride busts, a DUI or more, then you go to Mesa.

Endeavor isn't going anywhere. Both the company and union agree that the bonus will be extended beyond 2018, there is currently just a disagreement on how it will be paid. The union wants it rolled into pay rates while the company wants it as a bonus still. There isn't a doubt that it will continue, just HOW it will continue.

You can see in the bottom chart what is included.

The retention bonuses are not included because new hires get the sign-on bonuses and NOT the retention bonuses. Pilots already on property get the retention bonus, but not the sign-on bonus. Including both would be a mis-representation.

Ahh okay that's right...

Damn times have changed. My first year pay at Mesa was around $13,000 a few years later my first year pay at SkyWest was $15,000. This will be my first year since 2007 that I will make over $40,000 flying. Boy is my timing bad with the 65 rule stagnation and crappy fo pay. You guys are all lucky with your timing.

All I hear from new guys now is I'm going to upgrade in 2 years that is if I'm not at a major by then and when i do get there I'm going to have a 40 year career at mainline and be a wide body captain by the time I'm 35.

It really is a good time to be getting into the industry but it sure highlights how much suck I've had to go through and i had it easy compared to the guys that needed 4,000+ hours of freight time to get an interview in the early early days.

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Learn how to take screenshots.

IKR?! Ha.

Thanks for the feedback. I certainly will. I was having computer issues and could NOT get it to work. Operator error, I'm sure. After the time I put into this, I was in a hurry so I did it this way. For the next update, I'll see if I can get it to work.

As a side note, perhaps you could consider phrasing your feedback to something more along the lines of: "Thanks for the time you put into this. I'm sure this data pulled into one place is helpful for some. Maybe for the next update you could try the screenshot function."

Communicating with that type of tone may serve you a little better in life.

Until us pilots start showing each other respect, we can't really expect to be respected by others.

Touche, I'll own that one. Certain other posters have been getting on my nerves lately.

If you're a windows guy the Snipping Tool works very well, but looks like you're on a Mac.

I've been at Republic about 10 months and already made more than $50k. It can be done easily.

That's counting gross wages, per diem, and 401(k) benefits. Should be close to $60k first year.

This is one thing that attracts me to this company. Not to crazy about the CRJ flying though.

What are Republic bases?

OK...per diem as wages...whatever, if you want to count that who cares...but 401k contributions are NOT income, dear God, is this how far we've fallen?!?

Is this in writing anywhere or perhaps implied?

Roll it into pay rates.. Bonus programs come and go. Pay rates don't..

Depending on how you spend when you are on the road, per diem could be a gain. I try to spend 40-50% of my per diem as a rule and use the rest towards paying down any debt or adding to our savings. For me that is 250-350 per month tax free I haven't spent a dime for.

Per diem is a great benefit if not spent, I spend around $5/day on average...but this guy was including his company 401k contributions in his 'income' figure, did you even read what my post was about?

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Yes, of course I read it. It seemed you were taking a dim view of per diem as income as well. We agree that it's circumstantial, as long as you don't become the Wolf of Wall Street on overnights. I also agree that company 401k additions shouldn't be counted. That is income for later on...takes time to become vested, etc...

The bigger point is the chart simply shows the pay floor at each regional. You have the potential to earn much more at each and every one of them. It doesn't reflect ceilings.


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I am 100% vested. Anyway, subtracting per diem and not counting the benefits, I will still make more than $50k in the first 12 months.

This seems like a lot but it's not. Don't be fooled by the big #'s, remember there is the denominator component that the regionals will use to whittle away your earnings.

Also, it's best you delve deeper than wages. Look at business models, who their customers are, current business practices, work rules, union vs. non-Union, bio's of leadership, history of pay negotiations, unity of pilot group, trip mix, schedules, benefits, 401k's, success of training departments, etc.

You would not fit in at Endeavor anyway.