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new hires, regionals side by side comparison
Envoy 1800 pilots - 2 bases, both major cities (Means a legacy has a hub in the city). most junior captain march 2008
Per diem $1.85/hr Flow to AA 50% new hire spots, about 30 month. $10,000 per year for 2 years onlyfo retention bonus, not for new hire. Upto $15,000 new hire bonus based on experience. Expressjet 3300 - 7 bases all major cities (Means a legacy has a hub) most Jr captain april 2007 Per diem $1.85 hr. Preferential United and Jetblue interviews. Republic 2700 pilots - 10 bases, 12 if you dont count all of ny as one, and 5 are major cities. Most Jr captain may 2012 Per diem $1.95 Upto $20,000 sign on bonus, best fo pay rates, strong contract like, company scope, rental cars on lost overnights and free luggage for new hires. Skywest - 4000 pilots 14 bases 10 are major cities. Most Jr captain - Dec 2013 Per diem $1.85 Upto $ 7500 sign on bonus. Strong contract and long history of positive management to pilot relationship. Mesa - 1000 pilots 4 bases all major cities $1.47 per diem Most Jr captain Aug 2014 Compass - 1000 pilots 3 bases all major Most Jr captain Dec 2015 Per diem $ 1. 65 Endevour - 1600 pilots 3 bases all major, 23,000 yearly for 4 years to ALL pilots. Most Jr captain 2013 Per diem $1.70 Air willy - 800 pilots 4 bases, 3 major. Most Jr captain Jan 2012 Per diem 1.60 Go jet - 500 pilots 4 bases, 2 major Most Jr captain 8/14 Per diem 1.80 Tran states - 600 pilots, 5 bases, 3 major. Most Jr captain 12/13 Per diem 1.80 Psa - 1000 pilots 3 bases 1 major. Most Jr captain 12/15 Per diem 1.75 Upto 15,000 sign on bonus, 10,000 per year for 2 years for fos already hired, 5 per month to aa flow. Piedmont - 500 pilots, 4 bases, 1 major. Most Jr captain 2/16 Per diem 1.70 Upto 15,000 sign on bonus, 10,000 per year for 2 years for fos already hired, 3 per month to aa flow. Commutair - 300 pilots, 2 bases, both major. Most Jr captain - 5/16 Per diem 1.70 United pref interview |
Just to clarify endeavor is 20,000 a yr until 2018 the 3000 sign on bonus is for the first year. 23k first year , 20k after that until 2018.
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Nothing like trying to summarize complex contracts and unique offerings between different companies in the space of a tweet....and getting it wrong. Thanks for wasting everyone's time.
By the way, why on earth did you choose something as useless and obscure as per diem as a discriminator and yet leave out more important things like pay rates and pay protections? |
Originally Posted by Mistek89
(Post 2144306)
Just to clarify endeavor is 20,000 a yr until 2018 the 3000 sign on bonus is for the first year. 23k first year , 20k after that until 2018.
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Originally Posted by CBreezy
(Post 2144307)
Nothing like trying to summarize complex contracts and unique offerings between different companies in the space of a tweet....and getting it wrong. Thanks for wasting everyone's time.
By the way, why on earth did you choose something as useless and obscure as per diem as a discriminator and yet leave out more important things like pay rates and pay protections? Also the per diem tends to fall in line with the block pay rates, per diem is an easy way to have a rough idea of what each airline pays vs the other. |
Originally Posted by lakehouse
(Post 2144292)
Mesa - 1000 pilots 4 bases all major cities
$1.47 per diem Most Jr captain Aug 2014 Guessing the rest of your data is probably not accurate either. Thanks for trying to consolidate the comparison, though. Guess it's hard to get all the data from everywhere. |
Originally Posted by lakehouse
(Post 2144312)
Because I did this out of the goodness of my heart to try and help and also to trying and limit all these envoy vs go jet threads. It is a few major items I think guys look at quickly when shopping for a place to start their 121 life. I used apc for the items.
Also the per diem tends to fall in line with the block pay rates, per diem is an easy way to have a rough idea of what each airline pays vs the other. |
Originally Posted by BeatNavy
(Post 2144315)
1300 pilots, most junior captain is more in the late 2015 (maybe early 2016 now not sure don't work there) range.
Guessing the rest of your data is probably not accurate either. |
Airline pilots are dumb, and look at all of the wrong things.
Who cares when the last guy upgraded? When will YOU upgrade. That is the real figure that matters. Who cares what the per diem is? How much time will you be able to spend at home with your friends/family (aka...how efficient are the schedules and commutability) Who gives a rats a** what the starting hourly pay is? How much money will you really make. At a good regional, you will get paid 1.3-1.5x per hour flown with cancellation pay, block or better pay, training pay, and additional pay for time off. Here's a cheat sheet for choosing an airline: 1) Find one that you do not have to commute to. 2) If you have to commute, which one is easiest to get to work 3) Which one will give you the most days off 4) Which one will pay you the most (not hourly pay, but actual pay) 5) Which one can you get the heck out of fastest? |
If looking at a big list of numbers is your thing for choosing a regional to work for, check out Aero Crew News' monthly analysis of airline pilot contracts (page 32 for the regionals)
http://www.aerocrewnews.us/acn/2016/...un-2016-R1.pdf |
Originally Posted by lakehouse
(Post 2144319)
Guess apc isn't accurate and it's funny because my buddy just came over to envoy from mesa and he was there almost 2 years and would have just got the upgrade.
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Originally Posted by squawkoff
(Post 2144401)
9/17/15 hire is most recent captain for Mes and he's been a captain for 4 months.
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Originally Posted by Skyler02
(Post 2144405)
CRJ and EJet are very different upgrade times. Depends on the aircraft.
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Thanks for the ACN link; I'd never seen that before and it's really helpful!
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Forgot sign on bonus up $15k at Commutair
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Originally Posted by CBreezy
(Post 2144307)
Nothing like trying to summarize complex contracts and unique offerings between different companies in the space of a tweet....and getting it wrong. Thanks for wasting everyone's time.
By the way, why on earth did you choose something as useless and obscure as per diem as a discriminator and yet leave out more important things like pay rates and pay protections? You are an example of why this forum stinks, and why pilots are a bunch of babies who shouldn't be trusted. |
Originally Posted by CBreezy
(Post 2144307)
Nothing like trying to summarize complex contracts and unique offerings between different companies in the space of a tweet....and getting it wrong. Thanks for wasting everyone's time.
By the way, why on earth did you choose something as useless and obscure as per diem as a discriminator and yet leave out more important things like pay rates and pay protections? |
The point being, there is already a decent post with accurate information on this board and contains some stuff people should care about. Not a single person should choose a regional based on pilot size and per diem and new hire bonus.... especially considering over half his information was wrong in the first place
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Originally Posted by CBreezy
(Post 2145949)
The point being, there is already a decent post with accurate information on this board and contains some stuff people should care about. Not a single person should choose a regional based on pilot size and per diem and new hire bonus.... especially considering over half his information was wrong in the first place
You're just think he favored Envoy, RAH and Skywest over "tran states". He's right, we don't offer any flow, pref hiring, new planes. |
Originally Posted by daOldMan
(Post 2144320)
Airline pilots are dumb, and look at all of the wrong things.
Who cares when the last guy upgraded? When will YOU upgrade. That is the real figure that matters. Who cares what the per diem is? How much time will you be able to spend at home with your friends/family (aka...how efficient are the schedules and commutability) Who gives a rats a** what the starting hourly pay is? How much money will you really make. At a good regional, you will get paid 1.3-1.5x per hour flown with cancellation pay, block or better pay, training pay, and additional pay for time off. Here's a cheat sheet for choosing an airline: 1) Find one that you do not have to commute to. 2) If you have to commute, which one is easiest to get to work 3) Which one will give you the most days off 4) Which one will pay you the most (not hourly pay, but actual pay) 5) Which one can you get the heck out of fastest? 2. Bases change. 3. How the hell are you suppose to figure that out? Schedules change. 4.Ill agree with this one. 5. Seriously? Which regional should I go to that will help me get to a major the quickest. |
Originally Posted by minimwage4
(Post 2145960)
No the point being they're right.
You're just think he favored Envoy, RAH and Skywest over "tran states". He's right, we don't offer any flow, pref hiring, new planes. The preferential hiring was only one of 5 data points that included number of domciles, not where (worthless), per diem rate (worthless), number of pilots (worthless) and bonuses, which many were incorrect. Not a single thing was said about pay guarantee, commuter hotels, projected aircraft growth or reduction, pay rates as a whole, and more. |
Originally Posted by CBreezy
(Post 2145966)
No, I don't care that he favored anyone. I've recommended in multiple posts to go to another airline over TSA. But, you're too blinded by rage that I don't hate it here that you can't comprehend that. Probably just too stupid.
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Originally Posted by Mistek89
(Post 2144306)
Just to clarify endeavor is 20,000 a yr until 2018 the 3000 sign on bonus is for the first year. 23k first year , 20k after that until 2018.
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Originally Posted by CBreezy
(Post 2145966)
No, I don't care that he favored anyone. I've recommended in multiple posts to go to another airline over TSA. But, you're too blinded by rage that I don't hate it here that you can't comprehend that. Probably just too stupid.
The preferential hiring was only one of 5 data points that included number of domciles, not where (worthless), per diem rate (worthless), number of pilots (worthless) and bonuses, which many were incorrect. Not a single thing was said about pay guarantee, commuter hotels, projected aircraft growth or reduction, pay rates as a whole, and more. |
We should update this
Which regional? That is the question.
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Originally Posted by KodiakJack
(Post 3361944)
Which regional? That is the question.
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Originally Posted by KodiakJack
(Post 3361944)
Which regional? That is the question.
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