Go Back  Airline Pilot Central Forums > Airline Pilot Forums > Regional
Leave your regional for ULCC? >

Leave your regional for ULCC?

Search

Notices
Regional Regional Airlines

Leave your regional for ULCC?

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 06-16-2016 | 08:04 AM
  #21  
deltajuliet's Avatar
Living the Dream
 
Joined: Sep 2013
Posts: 1,795
Likes: 0
Default

Originally Posted by rickair7777
I think this will become more of a factor as time passes. As hiring ramps up, regional CEO's are going to be pleading with their major partners to NOT hire their pilots.

In a crunch it's obviously better to hurt your low-cost competition that your own regional feed. No-brainer.

For the noobs...yes this has happened before.

And there's a difference between an ULCC and an LCC.
By the same logic, didn't and wouldn't legacies hire from the competition's feed to hurt their counterparts?
Reply
Old 06-16-2016 | 08:06 AM
  #22  
Line Holder
 
Joined: Apr 2007
Posts: 388
Likes: 9
From: A320 CA
Default

Originally Posted by flapshalfspeed
There are a lot of pilots who don't understand the difference between causality and correlation.
Ah yes, the dreaded "post hoc ergo propter hoc" fallacy.
Reply
Old 06-16-2016 | 08:09 AM
  #23  
rickair7777's Avatar
Prime Minister/Moderator
Veteran: Navy
 
Joined: Jan 2006
Posts: 45,127
Likes: 796
From: Engines Turn or People Swim
Default

Originally Posted by deltajuliet
By the same logic, didn't and wouldn't legacies hire from the competition's feed to hurt their counterparts?
Absolutely, but today most regionals have multiple partners so the options are limited there.
Reply
Old 06-16-2016 | 08:55 AM
  #24  
Car Ramrod's Avatar
Thread Starter
Banned
 
Joined: Feb 2011
Posts: 316
Likes: 0
From: Bus FO
Default

Originally Posted by deltajuliet
By the same logic, didn't and wouldn't legacies hire from the competition's feed to hurt their counterparts?
Using similar logic, couldn't the legacies just hire all the ULCC pilots to cripple the low cost competition as opposed to actually competing with them? if Spirit had 30 leaving a month it would put a stop to their growth immediately.
Reply
Old 06-16-2016 | 08:58 AM
  #25  
Gets Weekends Off
 
Joined: Sep 2014
Posts: 1,316
Likes: 0
Default

Originally Posted by Car Ramrod
Using similar logic, couldn't the legacies just hire all the ULCC pilots to cripple the low cost competition as opposed to actually competing with them? if Spirit had 30 leaving a month it would put a stop to their growth immediately.
Who said they won't do that in the future?
Reply
Old 06-16-2016 | 09:24 AM
  #26  
Gets Weekends Off
 
Joined: Sep 2014
Posts: 161
Likes: 0
Default

As hard as it was to leave a Captain job to take a pay cut to go to a ULCC I can say that my QOL has vastly improved since leaving the regionals. The lines where I am now average 15-16 days off per month and in Winter months top 17 days off average. Every person will have a different set of circumstances and reasons to either stay or make the move. But one thing is clear. Almost everyone regardless of where you are will have their shot eventually at one of the legacies if that's where they want to be. Whether you're a regional FO, Captain, or ULCC pilot.
Reply
Old 06-16-2016 | 10:04 AM
  #27  
Gets Weekends Off
 
Joined: Oct 2006
Posts: 650
Likes: 0
Default

Originally Posted by rickair7777
I think this will become more of a factor as time passes. As hiring ramps up, regional CEO's are going to be pleading with their major partners to NOT hire their pilots.

In a crunch it's obviously better to hurt your low-cost competition that your own regional feed. No-brainer.

For the noobs...yes this has happened before.

And there's a difference between an ULCC and an LCC.
With that logic Delta would chase after United's feed and United would chase Delta regional pilots. I doubt either is actually happening. I have had two CPs tell me that yes people are getting hired without the PIC time but they are the exception not the rule.

I also believe JB and SW are far closer to being a major than they are to being Spirit or Frontier. I imagine when SW finally gets their new contract it will be on par with what the major 737 guys are making.
Reply
Old 06-16-2016 | 10:33 AM
  #28  
Car Ramrod's Avatar
Thread Starter
Banned
 
Joined: Feb 2011
Posts: 316
Likes: 0
From: Bus FO
Default

Originally Posted by DenverPilot8
As hard as it was to leave a Captain job to take a pay cut to go to a ULCC I can say that my QOL has vastly improved since leaving the regionals. The lines where I am now average 15-16 days off per month and in Winter months top 17 days off average. Every person will have a different set of circumstances and reasons to either stay or make the move. But one thing is clear. Almost everyone regardless of where you are will have their shot eventually at one of the legacies if that's where they want to be. Whether you're a regional FO, Captain, or ULCC pilot.
I agree. The QOL at a ULCC such as Frontier or Spirit is better than most (if not all) regionals, and the earning potential is also much more in the long run. That is why I don't think it is a bad move to go to a place like that AFTER you get 1000 TPIC. If for some reason I never get hired at a legacy id rather be stuck at Spirit than a regional. However, if you go to a ULCC prior to getting 1000TPIC, you may have just limited your upward mobility. That may be okay for people who already have limited upward mobility (no college degree, DUI etc.). In short, I think leaving for a ULCC from the right seat of a regional is foolish.
Reply
Old 06-16-2016 | 02:48 PM
  #29  
Gets Weekends Off
 
Joined: Apr 2014
Posts: 338
Likes: 0
Default

Originally Posted by rickair7777
I think this will become more of a factor as time passes. As hiring ramps up, regional CEO's are going to be pleading with their major partners to NOT hire their pilots.

In a crunch it's obviously better to hurt your low-cost competition that your own regional feed. No-brainer.

For the noobs...yes this has happened before.

And there's a difference between an ULCC and an LCC.
What about hurting your direct competitions regional feed? In this era Delta started doing it in 2012.
Reply
Old 06-16-2016 | 03:16 PM
  #30  
Gets Weekends Off
 
Joined: Nov 2015
Posts: 194
Likes: 0
Default

Originally Posted by Xtreme87
Would have taken me 5 years to make what I made as an RJ captain at a ULCC. Unless the ship is about to go under water, stay with it if you are a captain.
There are 3 year captains at every Spirit base. With opportunities for trips being paid on top of guarantee, move up pay, and junior assignments, you can make in the $90s year 2 FO. Thats at $72 / hr current contract. When the new one is signed, I'm betting at least $95 / hr year 2.
I made $117k my last year as RJ Capt. Year 1 is a huge pay cut, but I have serious doubts my regional will even exist in 4 years.
Reply
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
MD11
Regional
138
06-26-2014 02:02 PM
PilotAnalyst
Regional
18
10-22-2012 01:39 PM
UND_Sioux
Regional
133
02-27-2010 02:21 PM
papacharlie
Regional
39
01-27-2008 05:01 PM
AFPirate
Regional
6
11-26-2007 11:39 AM

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On



Your Privacy Choices