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Twice as much? lol

You might be outdated, but that's cool fam!

The main Silver Airways thread, it's probably dropped to page two here at the Almighty Regional Forum.

Hey guys and gals...I have a weight and balance question for you. Is your jumpseat included in the empty weight of the Saab?

yes, you would be counted when doing the W&B. soo just hope the plane isn't loaded up to much with bags in the back. :(

So what I'm getting at is that even if you are at max TO weight it doesn't matter if there is a jumpseater or not because the 190lbs is already included in the basic empty weight of the aircraft. Is this how your basic operating empty weight is set up within your Saab fleet? Hope that clears up my question.

Of course not. The ACM is only added if a person is actually occupying the jumpseat. In what airplane can you just throw 190 pounds useful load away? In a 747 maybe? But not in an easily weight restricted Saab.

Northwest pilots negotiated the jumpseat into the BOW weight so that it was always usable even on weight restricted flights. I'm not sure if that was able to be carried over to Delta in the merge or not, but it came in handy on the DC-9 in the summer.

I was saying yes we would have to count him if he wanted to ride. Sorry if my post made it sound like it was included in the BOW.

The Avro 100% of the time, the CRJ-900 99% of the time and apparently you can throw a lot more than that away in a BE-1900 at Great Lakes :p

Thanks. We missed a flight because of weight and balance and was just making sure I had my ducks in a row before making a big deal about it. As a commuter I rarely miss a flight because of it. I remember once years ago when I was young I missed a Southwest flight out of LAS to PVD. The captain came up and met me at that gate and explained why he couldn't take me and how sorry he was. Nothing he could do. I always remembered this and applied it whenever I had to leave guys behind. This silver captain didn't bother to come up to explain to us why he couldn't fit anymore weight. Thanks again for the input.

I would love to tell you that the folks here at Silver have lots of time on the ground but we just don't. We are always running late and almost never have enough time to do something like that even if we wanted to. We are only just minutes before leaving finishing up the Weight and balance by hand with one engine running about to turn the other. So when we do know, we really don't have time to get out of the plane, walk on the ramp, up the walkway up to the gate then up the gate just to say sorry. The folks behind the desk should say it for us when we call ops to let them know.

I will say this much tho, we never have any problems taking people jump-seating either in the back or up front if we can. Aleast that was how it was when i was working there a few months ago.

Hey guys, possibly interested FO here. I live fairly close to TPA and just saw the upgrade in pay and day trips, so Silver is looking pretty good for me but I have a few questions...

Training - How long, where, how often are classes and will they take me at 1450 and build the rest in the sims(like other regionals)
Bases - obviously TPA is preferred so how long to get there, how good/bad is commuting from IAD
Reserve - how long typically
Cuba - Any routes from TPA?

I currently have 1200TT and will have 1450TT in less than 3 months.

Actually, I've been told by a few different US Airways (at the time) pilots that an ACM is built into the w/b regardless of whether or not there is one. Not sure if that's changed since the merger, though.

I don't personally know whether they would hire with less then the required ATP hours and let you finish it with sim time. but i can answer some of the questions you have.

Cuba routes - the last i personally read and heard was they were being flown from FLL EYW RSW. now who gets those flights will be how they man the lines. most likely FLL will be done by FLL based guys, where as EYW and RSW would most likely be a mix of FLL, MCO, TPA lines.

Training - with a ATP it was about 5-6 weeks long and in FLL. They hotel everyone so that shouldn't be a problem for you being in TPA.

Basing - is based off have how senior you are. Most likely you would get IAD before any of the Florida bases. Now having said that me personally and my class when we were doing training we would all end up in IAD but we all got FLL. but they had 220 pilots including my class. its closer to 160 with everyone.

Commuting - IAD from FLL, even with the company paying for the flights sucked because there wasn't really any Direct flights. I don't know anything out of TPA but my guess is it isn't much better.

Reserve - not sure how long till a line, because the lines when i was there were kind of based off how many pilots each base had and how much coverage they had. So how much time on RS will depend on where you go. FLL is the biggest base for Silver per say, with MCO and TPA nowadays almost the same size, IAD is the smallest but most junior of the bases.

When I had bid RS i was flying almost as much as the line guys due to lack of pilots so if you want to fly i don't see you having a problem. Just remember always bid what you want and you never know you could get a line, i mean hell i was thinking they were not going to call me much when i was on RS but i got called a lot, and i knew at least 2 or 3 guys who normally went RS even tho they were high on the list.

Lost the w/b protections in the merger.

At United we cannot be denied the j/s because of a weight restriction, but that only applies to United pilots. We also have language that in any 757s that were not retrofitted with a second jumpseat, a revenue pax will be bumped out of their seat if two of our pilots show up for the j/s.