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Airsupport 02-12-2007 04:34 PM

Ok here we go.. next rumor
 
Ok, since i dont think it has been mentioned yet i am going to throw it out there. The same person that "informed" me about the colgan purchase has thrown me another jewel. Within two weeks pinnacle will announce the opening up of a slc base flying rj900's. I know that sounds crazy, but i have heard that from several different sources, and several of them are my reliable ones. They say that it is for delta but i don't know how that would be possible seeing how skywest rules slc. but that is whats coming down the pipe. I could see us flying for northwest out of slc since they dont have any regionals flying for them out west. so there you have it. before you start to bash me remember i said that we were buying colgan 1 week before we did, so i am feeling pretty confindent on this one too.

DMEarc 02-12-2007 04:37 PM

You guys deserve it after the bullshyt you're going through.

You know who doesn't deserve it?

SKYWEST.

dingo222 02-12-2007 04:38 PM

i'm putting my money on airsupport. I already owe him a sixer of his choice! I think it would be an awesome opportunity for 9E guys. I hope they get the rate for the 50 seaters ironed out before the announcement.

bintynogin 02-12-2007 04:40 PM

Horizon to start EWR base with A321's and a 6 month upgrade. :rolleyes:

Airsupport 02-12-2007 04:42 PM


Originally Posted by dingo222 (Post 117426)
i'm putting my money on airsupport. I already owe him a sixer of his choice! I think it would be an awesome opportunity for 9E guys. I hope they get the rate for the 50 seaters ironed out before the announcement.

how is the union rally going?

supercell86 02-12-2007 04:45 PM

I heard that Mesa is now actively interviewing Private Pilots, and putting them thru training without a commercial lisence, CRAZY!!!! Get your resume in!!!

Sorry I'm sooo bored at work guys!!:D

Airsupport 02-12-2007 04:46 PM


Originally Posted by supercell86 (Post 117434)
I heard that Mesa is now actively interviewing Private Pilots, and putting them thru training without a commercial lisence, CRAZY!!!! Get your resume in!!!

Sorry I'm sooo bored at work guys!!:D

same here,,, not much to do in MOLINE!!!!!!

supercell86 02-12-2007 04:53 PM


Originally Posted by Airsupport (Post 117437)
same here,,, not much to do in MOLINE!!!!!!


haha, yea...or in Albany

higney85 02-12-2007 05:08 PM

I am not doubting any rumor at this point- an SLC base would be great, and I do think the -900 is a sweet plane. I would love to see the -900's at the mainline level though... If pncl could get some more flying (under PNCL, not PNCL holdings!) and a contract I would be a happy camper. I would highly consider bidding and moving to SLC, but I dont know how it would work with me being at the bottom of the senority list- I want a line ASAP! this rsv stuff has become a bit old! I wonder how many current guys would bid the -900/SLC. I would imagine it would be junior at first, but I guess it could go senior too.

Airsupport 02-12-2007 05:30 PM


Originally Posted by higney85 (Post 117448)
I am not doubting any rumor at this point- an SLC base would be great, and I do think the -900 is a sweet plane. I would love to see the -900's at the mainline level though... If pncl could get some more flying (under PNCL, not PNCL holdings!) and a contract I would be a happy camper. I would highly consider bidding and moving to SLC, but I dont know how it would work with me being at the bottom of the senority list- I want a line ASAP! this rsv stuff has become a bit old! I wonder how many current guys would bid the -900/SLC. I would imagine it would be junior at first, but I guess it could go senior too.

I don't think there is much of a chance of it going senior. Remember we are a east coast airlines. The majority of our pilots live east of the mississippi. There are some that live on the west coast and that one guy that commutes from japan!, but they would probably be the only ones that would want to go to slc. I live here in TN, and wouldn't plan on moving out of memphis, at least not for a while. And i am not sure what plane we would be flying or what. I was told the 900, but you never know. But i am almost certain that we will have a base pretty soon in slc.

Airsupport 02-12-2007 05:31 PM

also we will be about 30 captains short next month, and about 40 fo's. get ready for MARCH MADNESS!!!!

Silver02ex 02-12-2007 05:38 PM

The rumors i was hearing was Cincinnati, not SLC.

Window_Seat 02-12-2007 06:03 PM

That's great... Pinnacle flying 76 seaters.... even if you work for Pinnacle this is not good news. Mesa is the only airline below Pinnacle.... Congratulations

How low will Pinnacle need go with their Captain minimums and their FO minimums now?

ToiletDuck 02-12-2007 06:19 PM


Originally Posted by DMEarc (Post 117424)
You guys deserve it after the bullshyt you're going through.

You know who doesn't deserve it?

SKYWEST.

And why is that?

higney85 02-12-2007 06:32 PM


Originally Posted by Window_Seat (Post 117472)
That's great... Pinnacle flying 76 seaters.... even if you work for Pinnacle this is not good news. Mesa is the only airline below Pinnacle.... Congratulations

How low will Pinnacle need go with their Captain minimums and their FO minimums now?

They have a new machine to interview candidates in a woman's womb.... If they can kick they get the job!


I really hope we can get a contract around here and attract some more pilots. I have only been here a few months and have been working almost every day I have been on rsv although the trips have been interesting at times- Deadheading everywhere! I hope it gets worked out. I am just curious of how the hell we can staff another contract for flying. I would be interested in living in SLC though- just dont wanna be the equivalent of a street capt and have guys constantly bidding out there bumping me down from hard lines when I could just hold one in mem.... who knows.. i guess it was about time for another rumor- its been almost a week now..:cool:

Window_Seat 02-12-2007 06:37 PM


Originally Posted by higney85 (Post 117489)
They have a new machine to interview candidates in a woman's womb.... If they can kick they get the job!


I really hope we can get a contract around here and attract some more pilots. I have only been here a few months and have been working almost every day I have been on rsv although the trips have been interesting at times- Deadheading everywhere! I hope it gets worked out. I am just curious of how the hell we can staff another contract for flying. I would be interested in living in SLC though- just don't wanna be the equivalent of a street capt and have guys constantly bidding out there bumping me down from hard lines when I could just hold one in mem.... who knows.. i guess it was about time for another rumor- its been almost a week now..:cool:

Get a contract that people just don't go there because they just graduated from Jet U. That's a start. 900's are not good for anyone. Until they are expensive to fly at a regional this will be our future. Most of us are going to be 900 and EMB captains, you just don't realize it.

Window_Seat 02-12-2007 06:40 PM

By the way, I flew 132 people today, made a little over 80 bucks plus per Diem and we are supposed to be one of the good regionals out there (1st year pay at SKW, but a little under 2nd year pay at Pinnacle, Mesa, TSA, GJ etc.)

rjboy 02-12-2007 06:57 PM

Unlikely
 
I wonder where all the Delta flying out of SLC going to Pinnacle and Express Jet will be coming from. No Skywest or ASA flying was part of the recent RFP. One of these other two carriers moving in there would mean that Delta was expanding out of SLC in addition to all the expansion going on with the Skywest 900's right now. I am not saying that this will not happen. I just don't see it as a likely scenario, especially with Skywest having the ability to undercut anyone trying to move in on SLC.

ANPBird 02-12-2007 07:16 PM


Originally Posted by Airsupport (Post 117437)
same here,,, not much to do in MOLINE!!!!!!

Airsupport, there is something to do in Moline! Stay warm, and get ready for some snow! I am about 60 miles north of you and we are to get at least 6 inches with heavier amounts to the south, that would be you! Have fun flying tomorrow and hope you get out ok or you will be experiencing more of Moline than you are hoping for! :(

STILL GROUNDED 02-12-2007 07:57 PM

I am curious, if the pilots at pinnacle don't agree to fly these heaps at 50 seat rates who do you think that management will give them too?

Oh whats this, we have another certificate now? Wonder how long it will take to convert piltos from saab 340's to crj 900's. They have been making crap money for so long they'll like that 50 seat rate.

rickair7777 02-12-2007 09:12 PM


Originally Posted by rjboy (Post 117502)
I wonder where all the Delta flying out of SLC going to Pinnacle and Express Jet will be coming from. No Skywest or ASA flying was part of the recent RFP. One of these other two carriers moving in there would mean that Delta was expanding out of SLC in addition to all the expansion going on with the Skywest 900's right now. I am not saying that this will not happen. I just don't see it as a likely scenario, especially with Skywest having the ability to undercut anyone trying to move in on SLC.

SKW has a contractual right to 60% (or something like that) of any NEW delta regional flying. I also can't imagine that DL would want to **** off SKW by moving another carrier into SLC...that was SKW country when SKYW sold their own tickets, before DL had a position in SLC. That market belonged to SKW (and Western) long before DL.

ImperialxRat 02-12-2007 11:03 PM

Dont move to SLC...they have funky rules about buying alcohol.

sigep_nm 02-12-2007 11:39 PM


Originally Posted by STILL GROUNDED (Post 117529)
I am curious, if the pilots at pinnacle don't agree to fly these heaps at 50 seat rates who do you think that management will give them too?

Oh whats this, we have another certificate now? Wonder how long it will take to convert piltos from saab 340's to crj 900's. They have been making crap money for so long they'll like that 50 seat rate.

Pinnacle doesnt fly saabs..

Airsupport 02-13-2007 01:55 AM

I don't exactly consider pinnacle just below mesa. And i am not a jet u guy so there are a few of us around here who didn't go that route. I am here for the bases, and the potential. I can guarantee you our next contract is going to be something we can be proud of. Our pilot group is pretty much ready to do ANYTHING to get some major improvements. The only reason we have the contract we have now is because we thought the company was going out of business when it was signed. You know, kinda like what happened at mesaba,, lies, lies, lies. You can only fool us once.

DMEarc 02-13-2007 07:39 AM


Originally Posted by sigep_nm (Post 117580)
Pinnacle doesnt fly saabs..

He's talking about the recently aquired Colgan.

JoeyMeatballs 02-13-2007 07:43 AM

We didnt get the flying for DELTA out of SLC :( (Expressjet)

fosters 02-13-2007 07:51 AM


Originally Posted by SAABaroowski (Post 117694)
We didnt get the flying for DELTA out of SLC :( (Expressjet)

Gee, ya think? Did you honestly think they would place 10 aircraft? If it was going to happen it would've been a much larger lift agreement.

BoilerUP 02-13-2007 07:53 AM

Funny how everybody is talking about this like Pinnacle is a slam-dunk to get these 900s...when they can barely staff their own Northwest flying. Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain in CVG that just got a concessionary TA...

DMEarc 02-13-2007 08:04 AM


Originally Posted by SAABaroowski (Post 117694)
We didnt get the flying for DELTA out of SLC :( (Expressjet)

Saab, you guys didnt have a chance.

JoeyMeatballs 02-13-2007 08:06 AM


Originally Posted by DMEarc (Post 117713)
Saab, you guys didnt have a chance.

Actually we did, but unlike most regionals we arent going to do it for dirt :)
Whoring ourselves out like most other regionals isnt what we do, why you guys are proud to Whor yourselves out for dirt is beyond me. Just like I cant wait to see how much COLGAN whors themselves out to LARRY for the Q400's

DMEarc 02-13-2007 08:08 AM

We don't have a choice, our weak group just wont stand up for themselves.

JoeyMeatballs 02-13-2007 08:09 AM


Originally Posted by DMEarc (Post 117720)
We don't have a choice, our weak group just wont stand up for ourselves.

I dont undertsand why not, Colgan has a smaller tight knit pilot group, seems to me that would make things easier

ToiletDuck 02-13-2007 08:34 AM


Originally Posted by SAABaroowski (Post 117714)
Whoring ourselves out like most other regionals isnt what we do


SAAB... Bro... We're all wh0res at heart

JoeyMeatballs 02-13-2007 08:36 AM

haah I admit im a bit of a whor myself

tcasra 02-13-2007 09:12 AM

I heard Mesa was going to get that flying!

JoeyMeatballs 02-13-2007 09:14 AM

jesus, here we go Capitalism is garbage, MESA is proof

higney85 02-13-2007 09:26 AM


Originally Posted by STILL GROUNDED (Post 117529)
I am curious, if the pilots at pinnacle don't agree to fly these heaps at 50 seat rates who do you think that management will give them too?

Oh whats this, we have another certificate now? Wonder how long it will take to convert piltos from saab 340's to crj 900's. They have been making crap money for so long they'll like that 50 seat rate.

believe it or not our current scope clause holds us to flying them with pncl crews- colgan/nor any other operating cert can do it. I am sure this is one of the issues with the current contract negotiations. Buying colgan was out of left field- but sorry guys- you wouldnt be able to fly them UNLESS the flying is given to colgan, which is even less likely than PNCL. PNCL holding corp cannot win RFP's- only PNCL or Colgan. Plus, it would take soo much longer to get a saab guy from colgan trained on a -900, not to mention the issues with PNCL being self insured. The big issue there is 500 in type that the vast majority of PNCL pilot already have and the need for only a few days of differences training as opposed to an entire new training to a CL-65.

fosters 02-13-2007 09:31 AM


Originally Posted by higney85 (Post 117821)
The big issue there is 500 in type that the vast majority of PNCL pilot already have and the need for only a few days of differences training as opposed to an entire new training to a CL-65.

Don't underestimate management. NWA gave Mesaba -900s. Why not give them to Pinnacle, since you are the CRJ operator. Make sense? No.

JoeyMeatballs 02-13-2007 09:38 AM

Just wait in a couple of years CAL guys will give away the scope on 50 seat jets and Colgan will be flying 190's for cal, for 50 seat pay, you wait and see

tcasra 02-13-2007 09:47 AM

I heard Mesa was going to get that flying.


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