Who's filling classes?
 

Curious as to which regionals are able to fill classes versus those that aren't.
Seems like skw, cpz and endeavor are at adequate staffing while the rest are struggling ?

While there may be staffing pressure with quality of candidates my gut is saying most are filing classes because everyone has the same dream of landing a job at the big boys?

Endeavor is East and Midwest and getting 50-60 a month, so that isn't accurate.

Editted first post after realizing that

14 new hires in the 175 class on the 21st.

31 new hires on the CRJ 7/25 class. 15 cadets. I just nailed my drug test. I can't wait to fly the B17 with my new leather jacket.

TSA has about 40 new hires a month.

Since January, PSA is averaging 8 per class.

That's a lie

I would never lie. It's the truth. We hire pilots, mx, scheduling, dispatchers, and FA.

Haha! You win this one.

If we are including FA's, mx, schedulers, dispatch, etc... then PSA is hiring 70+ a month.

As far as pilots is concerned, it is about 10-12 a month right now.

anyone got #s on Xjet per month ?

TSA is between classes of 2 to 6 per month....

As of July 1, XJT has hired 169 pilots that are still with the company since January 1. Averages to about 28/month. 72 on the LASA side and 97 on LXJT side.

Skywest 70
Endeavor 55
Compass ? 25 ?
TSA <10
PSA 10-15
Republic ?
Envoy 20
Piedmont <10
Commutair 10-20?
Expressjet 30
Silver/Greatlakes/Penair ? 30 total?

So 200-250 guys entering the 121 world each month. 5% fail out maybe. 2500/yr civilian , that's about the ammount of retirements right ? Seems like the pipeline is fine, just not producing a surplus.

They do not want anyone to believe that. If there is not a surplus of pilots they can't keep their cheap feed of regionals. Anyone who would start a career in the airlines now needs to have their head examined.

There is no pilot shortage! The more applicants they get the more they can keep poverty wages.

How many at Mesa?
Also, Great Lakes has no shortage of FO applicants for the 135 side. Lots of guys still coming up through the pipeline.

I wonder how many are retreads? Seems like if mesa and gojet and gteat lakes are filling classes there's little hope wages will improve.

I know that Great Lakes is not filling classes. They need 121 FOs and captains. The apps they were getting were for 135 FO, no shortage of 250hr commercial pilots.

I don't have a quantifiable number but many of pdt people are not new fresh. Mostly people from other airlines or people who were in the airlines years ago.

Attrition
 

My experience Sir is that there's significantly more than a 5% dropout rate. Ive been through training in 2 regionals. (Both on this list)
One passed everyone in the class, but had a huge number of people leave within a month or two. Some went to the Majors, granted, but many went back to Corporate or Government flying. I'd estimate half of my class left in the first 3 months.
The other has a fairly well documented ~15% dropout rate in training, again, some simply can't keep up, but others leave to return to their previous jobs. 121 isn't for everyone. Once IOE is completed at this company however, i've not heard of a soul leaving.
I would suggest the first year dropout rate is 15 to 20% of day one new hires. Perhaps more. The are plenty of rumors about the majors having substantial training dropouts too; though most of them simply transfer to their 'preferred' major.
The rate at which the stronger regionals are attracting pilots, and the less strong failing to retain them adds weight to the argument that the shortage is in fact, very real. If nothing else, look at first year pay. It's gone from ~$25k to perhaps in excess of $50k in the last 18 months.
PL.

Thank you for the insight. I'm looking in from the outside and making estimations based on what I read and hear. Seems like if it is bucketlister/2nd career guys/returning to the industry guys keeping classes full, the pool will start to dry. Aren't most guys who have decided if they are going to return making that move by now ?

While 50k first year pre tax might be the reality for endeavor, I think most are still low 30k's after all is said and done.

Mix it up
 

There's a real mix. Endeavor does attract people out of Corp and off the sidelines with pay and conditions. In both there was a real mix of Military, Corp/Freight & CFIs. The real hope for the future of course is young, keen CFI's, they are the medium term pipeline. Some 135s must really be hurting; my classmates have told me some very difficult stories of that lifestyle & pressures..

I work at a 135 and our turnover is very high. Upgrades are availible to many FOs but few stay past 1500 before they are off . CA getting calls from majors (if they have prior 121) and the LCCs and good corporate gigs. It would make sense to me the 135 world would be hit prior to the 121. Then again, there are only 2-4k positions probably country wide for low time guys who aren't cfis.

That 50k would be nice with endeavor, but for me the bases suck. I don't want to live in NYC, which seems to be where everything is headed.

From what I've seen, AA's WOs are offering a 15K bonus to new hires, making their 28K first year salary ~43K. And if you're willing to live in ORD and fly 145's or CRJ's Envoy will give you another 5K, putting first year at 48K. Too bad second year will still be ~36K...

Yep and don't forget if you leave before 12 months then you pay back the entire 15-20k. If you leave before 24 months you pay back a pro rated amount

Which Endeavor does not have. The bonus pays out every 4 months and it's yours to keep as long as you're on property.

This is very accurate right now. As a new hire, I can nearly guarantee you'll be NYC based.

It is not possible to live in NYC or ORD on those wages.

A new hire will be able to get out of NYC and to a more desirable base within a vacancy or two. Unless NYC is the desirable spot....:eek:

September is here. It's getting interesting. Updates?

For Sept. my co had 16 F/Os in training leave for whatever reasons.
Emp#s from 538XX to 544XX range. Failure rate is astounding......if they failed out. I like to think that they found better employment at a ranch grass strip out in the country instructing flight test students in cutting edge experimental jet powered aircraft......

Where do you work

Ol' CCB is a senior 175 CA st Skywest.

Envoy put 42 new hires in class for August.

Help me understand. 16 F/Os in training dropped out on the 1st of this month, as in today?

Does anyone have the numbers on Horizon air?

Does anyone have numbers on Republic? I know many of my friends/colleagues (including myself) are interested in Republic but are nervous about what their future will look like.

RAH hired 39 in August and 23 in July. I know the numbers for September are supposed to be similar to August.


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Compass is currently turning away guys from what I hear and may be the hardest to get on with. Last I heard a few weeks ago they interviewed 17 and only took 4. The interviewees said "hey but Skywest will hire me" and so the compass recruiters told them to go there then. I'm glad to hear my old stomping grounds is still turning guys away.