Alaskan Pilot looking to commute to regional?
08-21-2016, 10:12 AM
#11
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Originally Posted by snackysmores
Horizon is overall not a good place to come to right now, we have multiple threads up explaining why so I won't go into it here.
The only thing I would warn you about ANC is its high likelihood of closing down once the jets start revenue flights next May. If you come to horizon now you will be seat locked on the Q for 4 years. If the ANC Q base closes you will get displaced to the lower 48, obviously.
The only thing I would warn you about ANC is its high likelihood of closing down once the jets start revenue flights next May. If you come to horizon now you will be seat locked on the Q for 4 years. If the ANC Q base closes you will get displaced to the lower 48, obviously.
Also, this does not jibe with the APC info "Upgrade times now down to 2.5 to 3 years". What gives?
Thanks!
08-21-2016, 01:54 PM
#14
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Originally Posted by Petethedog
4 year seat lock? Does that mean you are stuck in FO Q400 seat for 4 years or just FO seat for 4 years (with ability to FO on the jet)? Either way, not a bright prospect! Is this seat lock deal forecast to be permanent?
Also, this does not jibe with the APC info "Upgrade times now down to 2.5 to 3 years". What gives?
Thanks!
Also, this does not jibe with the APC info "Upgrade times now down to 2.5 to 3 years". What gives?
Thanks!
The APC profile says upgrade in 2.5-3 years and that is correct...if you were hired 2.5-3 years ago. We had a massive wave of new hires in 2014-2015 and 8 months of seniority stagnation when Alaska halted all of their classes. So the 2.5 year upgrade is not possible if you were hired today and nothing changed. Looking at the seniority list theres 2 year FOs that still have 150+ FO's infront of them, and we only upgrade 4-8 every other month and none during summer. 90% of our captains are lifers and not going anywhere so movement is pretty much centered on FOs bailing or aircraft growth. We still don't know if the company will park Q's or not. I don't think they want to, but as of right now we cant get any new hires into the Q for the reasons above and our lack of incentives (namely none) that we offer new hires.
Tomorrow will be interesting because our LOA that would increase new hire pay to $41 (and give the company freedom to change it whenever they want) and reduce the seat lock to 2 years (still worthless if you're hired before the jets arrive) will be voted down. We predict the company will violate our contract and offer new hire bonuses anyway which will start a long drawn out court battle grievance process.
It's going to get ugly, I would recommend Compass or Skywest to anyone who *has* to live in a PNW base.
08-21-2016, 03:54 PM
#16
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Originally Posted by Packrat
There's always that cargo outfit that works out of the north airpark flying 1900s. One of my F/Os in the past came from there and ended up at Atlas.
08-21-2016, 07:02 PM
#17
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Originally Posted by snackysmores
At Horizon you are seatlocked for 4 years on the Q400, you cannot switch over to the jet as an FO. Nothing will prevent you from upgrading on either the Q400 or E175, however you will need about 15 years of seniority before you could hold E175 captain. So that pretty much leaves just the Q400 for you to upgrade on. The E175 will be strictly reserved for super senior captains and new hires after March 2017.
The APC profile says upgrade in 2.5-3 years and that is correct...if you were hired 2.5-3 years ago. We had a massive wave of new hires in 2014-2015 and 8 months of seniority stagnation when Alaska halted all of their classes. So the 2.5 year upgrade is not possible if you were hired today and nothing changed. Looking at the seniority list theres 2 year FOs that still have 150+ FO's infront of them, and we only upgrade 4-8 every other month and none during summer. 90% of our captains are lifers and not going anywhere so movement is pretty much centered on FOs bailing or aircraft growth. We still don't know if the company will park Q's or not. I don't think they want to, but as of right now we cant get any new hires into the Q for the reasons above and our lack of incentives (namely none) that we offer new hires.
Tomorrow will be interesting because our LOA that would increase new hire pay to $41 (and give the company freedom to change it whenever they want) and reduce the seat lock to 2 years (still worthless if you're hired before the jets arrive) will be voted down. We predict the company will violate our contract and offer new hire bonuses anyway which will start a long drawn out court battle grievance process.
It's going to get ugly, I would recommend Compass or Skywest to anyone who *has* to live in a PNW base.
The APC profile says upgrade in 2.5-3 years and that is correct...if you were hired 2.5-3 years ago. We had a massive wave of new hires in 2014-2015 and 8 months of seniority stagnation when Alaska halted all of their classes. So the 2.5 year upgrade is not possible if you were hired today and nothing changed. Looking at the seniority list theres 2 year FOs that still have 150+ FO's infront of them, and we only upgrade 4-8 every other month and none during summer. 90% of our captains are lifers and not going anywhere so movement is pretty much centered on FOs bailing or aircraft growth. We still don't know if the company will park Q's or not. I don't think they want to, but as of right now we cant get any new hires into the Q for the reasons above and our lack of incentives (namely none) that we offer new hires.
Tomorrow will be interesting because our LOA that would increase new hire pay to $41 (and give the company freedom to change it whenever they want) and reduce the seat lock to 2 years (still worthless if you're hired before the jets arrive) will be voted down. We predict the company will violate our contract and offer new hire bonuses anyway which will start a long drawn out court battle grievance process.
It's going to get ugly, I would recommend Compass or Skywest to anyone who *has* to live in a PNW base.
Seems, even if you are hired into the jet next year, you could be looking at perpetual reserve as an FO (if a steady influx of FOs coming off the Q seat lock transferred over). On the other hand, fast upgrades could happen on the Q with people moving over to the jet.
Ah man, there is so much to like about Horizon/Alaska (great product, top-notch flying, PNW, etc.). I hope this, somehow, gets sorted out for you all.
Would love to come up there if it does... Best of luck!
08-24-2016, 12:55 AM
#18
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Originally Posted by alaskadrifter
The rates are misleading as they aren't breaking garuntee with the oil industry slow down, upgrades are forever, and they are probably only taking a couple of street hires this year.
08-24-2016, 12:59 AM
#19
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Originally Posted by PosRateGearUp
I would look into Corvus (Ravn), pay seems good plus the dash is fun to fly.
08-24-2016, 03:07 AM
#20
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Originally Posted by flyingak
All true statements, but I think they still pay better than PenAir, not totally sure. A new FO who doesn't break garuntee is $3,000 / month.
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