Advice to aspiring airline pilots
02-17-2007 | 05:36 PM
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No, I started training pre 9/11, I graduated 8/11/01. I continue to do this job because I enjoy it. Money does not make me happy, I am not a material person. I am perfectly content with what I make, which is more than a garbage man, and now since I am in the left seat it is much more than a garbage man. I manage the money that I make which allows me buy the things that I want. If you do not enjoy flying for a living that is fine, do whatever it is that makes you happy. I'm sorry your dream didn't work out the way you planned it to. Thats too bad, really. But I am happy with my life, I make far more than I ever could being a garbage man for a lot less work. And I don't want to be a doctor, lawyer, dentist, or policeman. None of those occupations interest ME. I don't care how much money they make. I don't want to do any of those for a living. Buy the way, you seem to be so obsessed with garbage men, perhaps you should become one.
Or is that some fetish you are hiding?
Oh yeah, Best of Luck to You
Or is that some fetish you are hiding? Oh yeah, Best of Luck to YouAirline pilots should be properly compensated, but 200K+ is just rediculous.
JMO.
02-17-2007 | 05:59 PM
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From: UPS 757/767 Capt ONT
"Airline pilots should be properly compensated, but 200K+ is just rediculous"
I don't think it is. I'm a highly trained professional in charge of a multi-million dollar airplane. My pilot groups efforts are key to the billion dollar profits my company attains. I think anyone in the left seat of a Boeing or Airbus should be making 200K. They are worth it.
If you disagree, it would be best for all of us if you seek another line of work.
Or at least, ****....
I don't think it is. I'm a highly trained professional in charge of a multi-million dollar airplane. My pilot groups efforts are key to the billion dollar profits my company attains. I think anyone in the left seat of a Boeing or Airbus should be making 200K. They are worth it.
If you disagree, it would be best for all of us if you seek another line of work.
Or at least, ****....
02-17-2007 | 06:19 PM
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Skyhigh, I agree with all your points and insight in this industry.
I use to live in SEA and had a great job in Snohomish making good money and a great schedule. I hasd to leave though to try the airline thing. I entered the airline 2 years prior to 9-11 and have been in the same place since. With no movement I became passive as you say and lost motivation and hope for this industry. I never finished my degree prior to the airlines and have never been motivated enough to finish for another fllying job, however as of 2-15-07 I am now a student again, not for a new flying job but for a new job. This industry sucks, and is going nowhere fast,all I was saying was don't waste your life hoping for that next job, enjoy what you have now. My advise run as far away from the airline s as you can, the sacrifice is not even close to the reward anymore.
I use to live in SEA and had a great job in Snohomish making good money and a great schedule. I hasd to leave though to try the airline thing. I entered the airline 2 years prior to 9-11 and have been in the same place since. With no movement I became passive as you say and lost motivation and hope for this industry. I never finished my degree prior to the airlines and have never been motivated enough to finish for another fllying job, however as of 2-15-07 I am now a student again, not for a new flying job but for a new job. This industry sucks, and is going nowhere fast,all I was saying was don't waste your life hoping for that next job, enjoy what you have now. My advise run as far away from the airline s as you can, the sacrifice is not even close to the reward anymore.
02-17-2007 | 07:12 PM
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Skyhigh, I agree with all your points and insight in this industry.
I use to live in SEA and had a great job in Snohomish making good money and a great schedule. I hasd to leave though to try the airline thing. I entered the airline 2 years prior to 9-11 and have been in the same place since. With no movement I became passive as you say and lost motivation and hope for this industry. I never finished my degree prior to the airlines and have never been motivated enough to finish for another fllying job, however as of 2-15-07 I am now a student again, not for a new flying job but for a new job. This industry sucks, and is going nowhere fast,all I was saying was don't waste your life hoping for that next job, enjoy what you have now. My advise run as far away from the airline s as you can, the sacrifice is not even close to the reward anymore.
I use to live in SEA and had a great job in Snohomish making good money and a great schedule. I hasd to leave though to try the airline thing. I entered the airline 2 years prior to 9-11 and have been in the same place since. With no movement I became passive as you say and lost motivation and hope for this industry. I never finished my degree prior to the airlines and have never been motivated enough to finish for another fllying job, however as of 2-15-07 I am now a student again, not for a new flying job but for a new job. This industry sucks, and is going nowhere fast,all I was saying was don't waste your life hoping for that next job, enjoy what you have now. My advise run as far away from the airline s as you can, the sacrifice is not even close to the reward anymore.
02-17-2007 | 07:31 PM
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From: MD-88 FO
"Far better it is to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs, even though checkered by failure, than to take rank with those poor spirits who neither enjoy much nor suffer much, because they live in the grey twilight that knows neither victory nor defeat."
-Theodore Roosevelt
02-17-2007 | 08:58 PM
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From: Corporate Pilot
Missed point
What if everyone just did what was "safe?" I guess there'd be no such thing as a 300 yard golf drive, because there'd be no drivers. The Daytona 500 wouldn't be happening this weekend. The stock market wouldn't work so well without investors. No one would have the guts to even begin mounting a campaign for President, as well as any other high-profile position. Those that choose to be great tend to get there not by ignoring risk, but by countering it. Why do they even try such risky things? Because that is where the passions of their heart lie. I'm starting to sound like a "self help book," so I'll leave you with a favorite quote of a risk-taker:
"Far better it is to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs, even though checkered by failure, than to take rank with those poor spirits who neither enjoy much nor suffer much, because they live in the grey twilight that knows neither victory nor defeat."
-Theodore Roosevelt
"Far better it is to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs, even though checkered by failure, than to take rank with those poor spirits who neither enjoy much nor suffer much, because they live in the grey twilight that knows neither victory nor defeat."
-Theodore Roosevelt
The best most pilots can hope for is to reach mediocre one day. The sacrifices required in education, training and experience building are not even close to being worth the return that is being offered.
Besides lets keep this in perspective, flying a plane is not daring or adventurous anymore. The guy who sits up front of the subway with his arms folded has a similar job as the modern airline pilot.
A better risk would be to stand in line for American Idol. The most you will loose is a day or two. If you win then you can imagine the results. As a pilot you will have to invest a small fortune and at least ten years before you even get a chance to fill out an application for one of the better major airlines.
SkyHigh
02-17-2007 | 09:09 PM
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From: Corporate Pilot
"I just wasnt right for me"
No, I started training pre 9/11, I graduated 8/11/01. I continue to do this job because I enjoy it. Money does not make me happy, I am not a material person. I am perfectly content with what I make, which is more than a garbage man, and now since I am in the left seat it is much more than a garbage man. I manage the money that I make which allows me buy the things that I want. If you do not enjoy flying for a living that is fine, do whatever it is that makes you happy. I'm sorry your dream didn't work out the way you planned it to. Thats too bad, really. But I am happy with my life, I make far more than I ever could being a garbage man for a lot less work. And I don't want to be a doctor, lawyer, dentist, or policeman. None of those occupations interest ME. I don't care how much money they make. I don't want to do any of those for a living. Buy the way, you seem to be so obsessed with garbage men, perhaps you should become one. Or is that some fetish you are hiding? Oh yeah, Best of Luck to You
Or is that some fetish you are hiding? Oh yeah, Best of Luck to YouDon't kid yourself money is an essential part of happiness. It is well documented and a farce to think otherwise. Today you might be satisfied with what you earn but add a family and perhaps an ailing parent or two and it becomes essential to be able to pay for it all.
Life might be good for you right now but the future rarely leaves a good thing alone in regards to the airlines. Outside of the seniority list pilots have little value.
Flying worked out fine for me, it was the rest that I was dissatisfied with.
SkyHigh
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02-17-2007 | 09:18 PM
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From: Corporate Pilot
Again my apologies
Skyhigh, I agree with all your points and insight in this industry.
I use to live in SEA and had a great job in Snohomish making good money and a great schedule. I hasd to leave though to try the airline thing. I entered the airline 2 years prior to 9-11 and have been in the same place since. With no movement I became passive as you say and lost motivation and hope for this industry. I never finished my degree prior to the airlines and have never been motivated enough to finish for another fllying job, however as of 2-15-07 I am now a student again, not for a new flying job but for a new job. This industry sucks, and is going nowhere fast,all I was saying was don't waste your life hoping for that next job, enjoy what you have now. My advise run as far away from the airline s as you can, the sacrifice is not even close to the reward anymore.
I use to live in SEA and had a great job in Snohomish making good money and a great schedule. I hasd to leave though to try the airline thing. I entered the airline 2 years prior to 9-11 and have been in the same place since. With no movement I became passive as you say and lost motivation and hope for this industry. I never finished my degree prior to the airlines and have never been motivated enough to finish for another fllying job, however as of 2-15-07 I am now a student again, not for a new flying job but for a new job. This industry sucks, and is going nowhere fast,all I was saying was don't waste your life hoping for that next job, enjoy what you have now. My advise run as far away from the airline s as you can, the sacrifice is not even close to the reward anymore.
Sorry for my misunderstanding of your post earlier. You and I are in total agreement.
Skyhigh
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