Crown or black/green label on the rocks plz.

For real!!!!!!!!

A lot of you need to ask yourself, does it really matter who goes to whatever kiddie table. (Yea I am at the kiddie table too).

I think a lot of peps on here dog on those that go to places like mesa (dash8)that have short upgrade time because they are scarred to take a gamble on a place that might hurt their feelings.

All of the experienced major airline pilots I know say, "it dosent maTter what regional you work for, just accecpt the first job you are offered and do your time and get out!"

So who cares if Mesa sux. The only legit reason I have seen on this siite is that the upgrade is forever in the jet, what about the dash? I say who cares!!!!!! if u can be a captn in less than a year when u get 1500 that is great!!!!!







I say, SWA here I come.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I will see ya when I am on the hiring board!! Ha ha ha!!!




Yea mesa still sux???????

FDNY doesn't pay much better although I'd love to have their schedules! Most guys on the job(fire and police) I know work elsewhere at least on some of their days off to supplement their sh!tty income. Suffolk County PD on the other hand...you start at 60K and are over 100K, not including OT and night differential, by year 5. They're having a test this Spring.

I'm a firefighter...you're right, the schedules are sweet. There's a place near my city that has a 2-on, 6-off schedule (granted the 2 on are 48hrs in a row, but you're paid to sleep and goof off half of the time)...it was a great supplement to my pilot income, and the fire service is the best job in the world (or maybe second best)...the pay ins't that bad either if you have your paramedic cert.

This one of the most ridiculous posts I may have ever read. How long have you been flying for????????????? You really don't know much at all...... If you think you are going to get a job at mesa upgrade in a year get your golden 1000, or 1300pic and move on you are dreaming, and are extremely naive. There thousands upon thousands of more qualified pilots than you that have alot more connections than you that can not get interviews. You might end up like the few guys that I have talked too who thought just like until they got violated, you knwo what that looks like on your record?????????????.
.and to answer your question yes mesa does "sux"

Here were the mileposts for me:

Undergraduate Pilot Training (UPT): 206.5
Introduction to Fighter Fundamentals (IFF): 20.9
F-15E Formal Training Unit (FTU): 79.2
Mission Qualification Training (MQT): 20.2

Total: 326.8

So, by comparison, we're talking about 206.5 to get what equates to a Comm/Multi/Instrument. The IFF and FTU basically equate to your company's initial training and a type rating there at 100.1 additional hours. The MQT is essentially the equivalent to IOE at an airline for an additional 20 hours.

So, there you have it...qualified to fly as a wingman (e.g first officer) at about 325 hours. It's at least another 300 hours to qualify for your upgrade to flight lead.

This doesn't compare hour-for-hour to civilian training...a large part of the civilian training is spent converting avgas to noise straight-and-level on a victor airway. Most of that military training is pretty intense, with an opportunity to wash out for good on almost every hop.

The 300 hour military guy has to be a far better pilot then a wet-commercial civilian because of all the extra hoops he has had jump through...simply more training. The civilian will catch up with experience, and a few years after the military guy leaves military flying for good, both pilots are probably the same in an airline cockpit (on average).

Ok lets not get out of hand "Far better pilot" The training may have been better but its up to the individual............

Are you on the dash? If so you can gut it out, get your PIC and move on. I don't too much issue with turbo-prop pilots who are willing to get abused for PIC, that's the way it's always been.

You're taking some risk that you will be able to get on at SWA, they seem to interview 20 and hire 3...I know LOT'S of mesa captains with a 73 type and a rejection letter from SWA :eek:

Most of the pilots out there realize that they stand a good chance of spending a LONG time at a regional...and mesa is NOT the place for that!

I'm talking about the 300 hour guys.

There are plenty of awesome civlian pilots, but the civilian screening system (your parent's credit rating) leaves something to be desired. It is almost impossible for a crappy pilot to get through military training..they may go down hill later in life, but at one point they had the skills...

Fow what it's worth I was medically DQed from military flying (before PRK :mad: )...I saw the military system up close and then did the civilian route, so I can comment objectively.

Is that a joke?

200tt? Anyone who would even think of the "quality" of training argument for this new meat in the seat stunt is utterly out of their mind. Not with my family on board, no way.

I can attest to the quality of the new hire training, from personal experience. I am completely sane, and work with the MPD grads on a daily basis.

Good luck avoiding USAirways, as we fly a considerable number of their CRJ's, DASH 8's and ERJ'S.

I would suggest not playing a safety record comparison game, as Mesa would score higher than most airlines that your family has already ridden on.

Hmmm. We need some truth-in-advertising here! When we talk about mesa and MAPD grads, we need to consider ALL of the mesa certificates which employ MAPD people...mesa, freedom, and UH OH! Air Midwest :eek: :eek: :eek:

Air Middie is in the VERY exclusive club of US airlines which have had a smoking hole accident in the last 5 years, a period of unprecedented safety for most domestic airlines. So no, mesa has one of the very worst safety scores of the century (discounting 911)

DISCLAIMER: I am not discussing any individual pilots here, just the company overall, so don't take it that way.

Finally
 

All of the experienced major airline pilots I know say, "it dosent maTter what regional you work for, just accecpt the first job you are offered and do your time and get out!"




Finally someone says it all correctly

I agree wholeheartedly. Thank you!

Unfortunately, most of those advice-giving major airline pilots are 15-30 years out of touch...

Lot's of us have done our time...it's the getting out that's the hard part, now that regionals cover such a huge percentage of domestic jet flying!

The people who say that worked at a ****ty airline, its what you guys tell yourself before you go to sleep at night to justify your position.

PS the only people who says are BLOWJET guys and MESA

Good one! You're so smart! I wish I could spend 6 years at a regional!

How much were your per diem checks again? I can't remember, you only posted the amounts 23 times.

Does your chief pilot know you spend your time at the gate on these forums?

Three cheers for expressjet....no one cares!

I can see where all of you are coming from, but I know a guy who was told the same thing (take the first job offered no matter what) by an old airline guy who's been in the business forever. He didnt' work at a ******ty, airline, but he is so old-school that he doesn't keep up on all the nitty-gritty stuff in the regional world. The problem is when those old guys givin this advice are gone (which won't be long), those of us who are left will be the one's who do know what is going on...so maybe that stuff might not apply. I onced asked some advice from an old pilot working for netjets international, and he didn't know what i was talking about when I talked about the regionals (like who is who and stuff like that)...just because some captain at a major hasn't kept up with GoJets doesn't mean that the next generation of pilots is just going to forget about that kind of stuff....just a thought

my check was $1650 first year pay, what was yours :D :p :eek:

oh and I was online via my PDA, which I purchased with my last months over & perdiem check

Im sorry brotha maybe you didnt read it the 24th time so here it is again $1650

$1650? $1650? 1-6-5-0?

Woooooooooooooowwwwww.

nah brotha $1,650.00 Do you gross that in a month at your ******** airline?

First year mesa dash-8? Not likely.

I wouldn't mind Air Willy pay either :)

newgrad just remember next time you have to hold and go over your blocktime by 45 minutes, your doing it for free. I know its not your fault, its management. But youll never win on here arguing that mesa is a good company.

I forgot about that, let me tell you how my day went today, lets see I was scheduled for 7.5 hrs of flying, I didnt leave CLE until the afternoon cause of the airport closure, so I only did 1 of my 4 legs, or out and in time accumulated to 1.5 hrs, guess what???????????? I am on reserve and I am still pay protected for 7.5hrs, not to mention we were over block by 10 minutes so I actually got 7.5hrs pay plus 10 minutes, and because of the crazy schedule today I was supposed to be done by 11PM tomorrow night, well now I will be released to my days off when I get back to EWR at 10am, and still get paid for the 6.5 hrs of flying that I will not be doing, hows that for a good company and great contract?

New-hire brainwashing courtesy of JO (how was that luncheon BTW?).

Don't worry, he'll come to his senses in a few months after sufficient shafting from the company...

How about all those -8 Mx canxs? Ooops! They would actually have to PAY you for MX canx, so they will simply do an "equipment upgrade" to a 200...no $$$ for you!

Come back in four months and we'll give you the gouge for that SKW interview :rolleyes:

emj-

Appreciate the obvious guy comments, chief. If you would open your eyes, you would find that this thread was not about the quality of mesa airlines, but instead about the quality of the MAPD grads. Saab began his sh!t parade, and changed the topic.

The only thing I attested to were the quality of my fellow airmen here at Mesa, and that fact that Mesa air group has a reasonably good safety record. Noted: the air midwest crash around 5 years ago. All I said, is that in comparison to most, Mesa has good safety record.

So, emj, you're right I won't win the arguement because I didn't and won't start it. Now go give saab a high five, a kiss, and ask him to see his per diem check; I think it was for $1650.

rickair777: Come back in four months and we'll give you the gouge for that SKW interview :rolleyes:[/quote]


No thanks, I'm happy where I am. One interview, one job. Get off your high horse.

hey did you read my posts about how I didnt fly and still got paid for it:p

$1650? Dude - I think emj wants to hang out with you.

:)

Bro, no need to disrespect Jersey:mad: want me to send you a Jersey Tomato?????, perhaps some fresh flowers, you know we are the Garden State right, home of Baseball, Frank Sinatra, Strips clubs, malls..............The list goes on and on



ahhhhh edited your post, thought twice about disrespecting Jersey and calling me trash ha?

Decided not to be an a$$. We all get bothered by this board from time to time. Apologize for attempting to get personal. To disagree is one thing, but I don't need to throw rocks.

It might have invented strip clubs but Dallas and San Antonio have the best I've ever "heard" of.

NewGrad
ahhhhhhhh its cool,I dont mind, I dont take anything personal, anyway Im going to bed, fly safe, have a good night ;)

You as well.

But before you go...was the check for $1650.00?

hahah coulda been 1651 lett me check hahahaha j/k, night boys

haha g'night

Please note that I am not supporting the "Mesa is a good airline" bit, but I just finished my first year at Mesa.....guess what Saab I managed to clear $31,000....and I did it in 11 months on the 1900 all spent sitting RSV :D . ....I guess the moral is give the kid a break. They learn after they cost Mesa the new hire training event and leaving 2 - 3 months later :rolleyes: . It is classic really. Our union just sent out an email that said we have lost over 40 pilots this month so far and it isn't over yet. The attrition is hitting critical levels and I wish it would keep JO up at night....but we know he only does that to count his money.

Oh and for those of you thinking about doing something stupid....Im about to go to a SKW group interview this week costing me a paycut from $31 an hour to $19....and yes at this point I am truly thinking it is worth it!

Although I am extremely green to this forum--let alone the regional industry(which intrigues me btw lol),basically,what is to stop a Mesa pilot that has gone through the PACE program to put in an app.with a new regional after a few months of flying? Seems like a good deal--in a sense--You can get in at low time,bypass a few steps i.e. instructing maybe even save 10-20k on training..well I think you can grasp what I'm saying. Just my .02--
please me nice to me-)