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Skyler02 10-22-2016 08:10 AM


Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 2228884)
And said lawsuit will show up on any background check, that's public record and easily searchable on the internet. The majors are going to love that...

I'm not sure if that is true or not. It might be. Either way, it just reinforces -- Don't sign a training contract.


Originally Posted by Arliss (Post 2228865)
I thought the AAG regionals ask for a 2 year commitment to keep all the bonus money.

I don't know the details of the AAG offer, but returning bonus money is different than having to pay, out of your own pocket, to pay a company for your training if you leave for another offer. Two different things entirely. One is returning money that they gave you over and above your salary, i.e., a bonus. The other, is going to your own savings and writing a check for as much as $12K.

Arliss 10-22-2016 08:37 AM


Originally Posted by Skyler02 (Post 2228895)



I don't know the details of the AAG offer, but returning bonus money is different than having to pay, out of your own pocket, to pay a company for your training if you leave for another offer. Two different things entirely. One is returning money that they gave you over and above your salary, i.e., a bonus. The other, is going to your own savings and writing a check for as much as $12K.

Agreed.
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rickair7777 10-22-2016 09:13 AM


Originally Posted by Skyler02 (Post 2228895)
I'm not sure if that is true or not. It might be. Either way, it just reinforces -- Don't sign a training contract.

It's true. Court records (criminal and civil) have always been a matter of public record. In the past you had to go to the courthouse in question to search for records but most jurisdictions have moved that online.

If the lawsuit was filed in a location that can linked to you (ie home address, or HQ of previous employer) then they can probably find it easily.

The fed has created one national database for serious crimes (convictions and arrests). There is no such database for civil matters, but in many cases it's not hard to dig up the info.

Skyler02 10-22-2016 11:20 AM


Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 2228949)
It's true. Court records (criminal and civil) have always been a matter of public record. In the past you had to go to the courthouse in question to search for records but most jurisdictions have moved that online.

If the lawsuit was filed in a location that can linked to you (ie home address, or HQ of previous employer) then they can probably find it easily.

The fed has created one national database for serious crimes (convictions and arrests). There is no such database for civil matters, but in many cases it's not hard to dig up the info.

Well there ya go.

Conclusion is the same. DO NOT SIGN A TRAINING CONTRACT.

fearofpavement 10-22-2016 12:32 PM

I'm literally packing to go to Dayton for initial training for PSA. I leave in the morning. I have their letter regarding the two year contract in my baggage.

What it is, regards only the bonus they are going to pay me upfront. That $15,000 all goes back to them if I don't stay a year (with some exceptions) and then it's pro-rated. ie, If I stay a year and then leave, I keep half. If I stay a year and a half I keep 3/4 of it, etc. I'm ok with signing it because I plan to stay until retirement age.

You can hire on, not take the bonus and there is no longevity commitment.
This is significantly different than a training contract.

ORD170 10-22-2016 01:24 PM


Originally Posted by Mover (Post 2227923)
If you take the bonus (Paid in lieu of training pay) at Republic, you sign a 24 month contract.



So you're saying you did not get payed during training, because you took the bonus? Doesn't seem right for Republic, because they love new hires! They get money thrown at them (and maybe a Bose Headset). I do believe they require you to repay the bonus if you leave before 24 months.


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JG4245 10-22-2016 01:30 PM


Originally Posted by ORD170 (Post 2229121)
So you're saying you did not get payed during training, because you took the bonus? Doesn't seem right for Republic, because they love new hires! They get money thrown at them (and maybe a Bose Headset). I do believe they require you to repay the bonus if you leave before 24 months.


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The bonus is not in lieu of training pay. But yes it is a 24 month (pro rated) commitment if you take the bonus.

ORD170 10-22-2016 01:33 PM

New Hires Signing Training Contracts?
 

Originally Posted by JG4245 (Post 2229124)
The bonus is not in lieu of training pay. But yes it is a 24 month (pro rated) commitment if you take the bonus.



Gotcha that makes sense. I guess if a pilot didn't take the bonus, they could leave whenever. Not a training contract though.


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Duck Sausage 10-22-2016 09:02 PM


Originally Posted by fearofpavement (Post 2229087)
I'm literally packing to go to Dayton for initial training for PSA. I leave in the morning. I have their letter regarding the two year contract in my baggage.

What it is, regards only the bonus they are going to pay me upfront. That $15,000 all goes back to them if I don't stay a year (with some exceptions) and then it's pro-rated. ie, If I stay a year and then leave, I keep half. If I stay a year and a half I keep 3/4 of it, etc. I'm ok with signing it because I plan to stay until retirement age.

You can hire on, not take the bonus and there is no longevity commitment.
This is significantly different than a training contract.

Pm me if you have any questions.

Skyler02 10-23-2016 04:52 AM


Originally Posted by fearofpavement (Post 2229087)
I'm literally packing to go to Dayton for initial training for PSA. I leave in the morning. I have their letter regarding the two year contract in my baggage.

What it is, regards only the bonus they are going to pay me upfront. That $15,000 all goes back to them if I don't stay a year (with some exceptions) and then it's pro-rated. ie, If I stay a year and then leave, I keep half. If I stay a year and a half I keep 3/4 of it, etc. I'm ok with signing it because I plan to stay until retirement age.

You can hire on, not take the bonus and there is no longevity commitment.
This is significantly different than a training contract.

Thank you for explaining this. A lot of Mesa guys are evaluating the jump to the Wholly Owneds (and other places) right now and this will help them understand the bonus.

Congrats on your new job.


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