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noirpilot 12-30-2016 12:22 PM


Originally Posted by PleaseComplete (Post 2271890)
I'm not condoning "lying" by any means but there is such a thing as too much information is too much information.

If they don't need to know they don't need to know. If I remember correctly you only need to provide names of employers where you were in a drug test program.

Were you drug tested by them for employment purposes ?

Look I never lied in my application. I dont know where you got that idea from. but you are right in that there is such a thing as too much information. This may or may not be one of them. Although i didnt think about drug test program related job info, it'd DoT related job i have held within the past 5 years. Matter of fact, i disclosed all my jobs within that time frame, including regular non-DoT ones I've had, just to be safe. Turns out it may back fire on me. I'm on limbo now since its holiday season and havent heard anymore. I'm slated to start indoc after the first of the year too!

MKUltra 12-30-2016 01:00 PM


Originally Posted by xjtpilot (Post 2271494)
You might be able to obtain previous years 1099 form from the IRS online:

https://www.irs.gov/individuals/tax-...-to-order-them

Also, I would read and understand AC 120-68G which explains what a hiring airline MUST request and what they MAY request and what the old employer MUST and MAY provide.

https://www.faa.gov/documentLibrary/...AC_120-68G.pdf

Yes.. call the irs and get your income transcript.

If needed call the local fsdo.. they will remind the flight school of pria and flight instructor record requirements. I'm sure records will be produced rapidly.

I had a sky dive operator that was no longer in operation and therefore had to work around that.

tom11011 12-30-2016 02:40 PM

Guys, there would be no 1099 if his annual income in less than $600. A company is under no obligation to send one if so.

PleaseComplete 12-30-2016 02:43 PM


Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 2271893)
Where on earth did you hear this??

from my emails when I was onboarding with OO -

Me asking -
"Good morning, I just wanted to clarify and confirm that PRIA forms are only required for 135 and 121 air carriers ? In other words, you do not want or need me to fill out PRIA forms for part 91 employers ?
Thank you"
Their response -
"You are correct, just the 135 and 121 carriers."

and from the instructions on the 8060-12 form -
"A list of specific drug and alcohol testing records to be furnished through this request is provided in Part I of FAA Form 8060-12. Part I is also used by the hiring air carrier or other person who has employed the individual as a pilot at any time during the 5-year period preceding the date on the employment application:"

PleaseComplete 12-30-2016 02:49 PM


Originally Posted by noirpilot (Post 2271900)
Look I never lied in my application. I dont know where you got that idea from. but you are right in that there is such a thing as too much information. This may or may not be one of them. Although i didnt think about drug test program related job info, it'd DoT related job i have held within the past 5 years. Matter of fact, i disclosed all my jobs within that time frame, including regular non-DoT ones I've had, just to be safe. Turns out it may back fire on me. I'm on limbo now since its holiday season and havent heard anymore. I'm slated to start indoc after the first of the year too!

Easy tiger - I never called you liar. Please take a deep breath and reread.

When you parse the sentence: it was in reference to my advice that I was giving when I said "I'm not condoning lying" BUT "giving too much information"

In other words, some people I've met in life think that omitting information is the same as lying.

noirpilot 12-30-2016 06:05 PM


Originally Posted by tom11011 (Post 2271991)
Guys, there would be no 1099 if his annual income in less than $600. A company is under no obligation to send one if so.

You are very right! thank you. I've stated multiple times, i didnt receive any monetary compensation per se ;)

noirpilot 12-30-2016 06:11 PM


Originally Posted by PleaseComplete (Post 2271995)
Easy tiger - I never called you liar. Please take a deep breath and reread.

When you parse the sentence: it was in reference to my advice that I was giving when I said "I'm not condoning lying" BUT "giving too much information"

In other words, some people I've met in life think that omitting information is the same as lying.

Hey I understand what you said. I didn't mean to come off aggressive at you. But right now, I feel like the airline is treating me that way. The moment they mentioned, "it's in conflict", i took it to mean I've lied or misconstrued something in some way, shape or form but I've not, in my opinion. I've told them ince the beginning, the flight school, other than training flights, is not a major source of my flight hours.. i was standby etc.. blah blah ;)

PleaseComplete 12-31-2016 04:36 AM

No worries, it will all work out to be the way it was meant to be after all honesty is the best policy.

xjtpilot 12-31-2016 08:09 AM


Originally Posted by PleaseComplete (Post 2271993)
from my emails when I was onboarding with OO -

Me asking -
"Good morning, I just wanted to clarify and confirm that PRIA forms are only required for 135 and 121 air carriers ? In other words, you do not want or need me to fill out PRIA forms for part 91 employers ?
Thank you"
Their response -
"You are correct, just the 135 and 121 carriers."

and from the instructions on the 8060-12 form -
"A list of specific drug and alcohol testing records to be furnished through this request is provided in Part I of FAA Form 8060-12. Part I is also used by the hiring air carrier or other person who has employed the individual as a pilot at any time during the 5-year period preceding the date on the employment application:"

Part 91 Requests: If you are a part 121 or 135 air carrier or a part 125 air operator who is preparing to hire a pilot whose previous experience is only with part 91 operators, you should still send a PRIA records request to these companies for any training or safety-related information that they may have. You should recognize that most part 91 operators do not establish or maintain the pilot records required by PRIA (except part 91K fractional ownerships) and are not required to do so. However, since the definition of “person” includes a part 91 operator, you should still send a PRIA records request and the company should respond to that request. If the company has no information, they should indicate to you that no information is available.

Note: If the pilot you are preparing to hire only worked privately as an individual 14 CFR part 61 flight instructor, there is no need to prepare and send a PRIA records request because there is no company to request records from.

PleaseComplete 12-31-2016 09:52 AM


Originally Posted by xjtpilot (Post 2272275)
Part 91 Requests: If you are a part 121 or 135 air carrier or a part 125 air operator who is preparing to hire a pilot whose previous experience is only with part 91 operators, you should still send a PRIA records request to these companies for any training or safety-related information that they may have. You should recognize that most part 91 operators do not establish or maintain the pilot records required by PRIA (except part 91K fractional ownerships) and are not required to do so. However, since the definition of “person” includes a part 91 operator, you should still send a PRIA records request and the company should respond to that request. If the company has no information, they should indicate to you that no information is available.

Note: If the pilot you are preparing to hire only worked privately as an individual 14 CFR part 61 flight instructor, there is no need to prepare and send a PRIA records request because there is no company to request records from.

Should.

In any event its up to the hiring employer how they want to comply as it isn't mandatory to use the FAA's forms either.

I couldn't go back and edit my post, was a little tired when I wrote it. The first part was in reference to the -11 form. The -12 applies to any employer that drug tested you in compliance with DOT regs.

End of the day you do whatever the airline asks of you. In the case of OO they didn't want them.


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