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Old 01-10-2017 | 11:45 AM
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Hi - new to the site. What are your thoughts on Piedmont vs Endeavor. Would be commute to both (no option in base) and seem similar pay and upgrade. Both also have some flow agreement... but these seem like more of a recruiting tool. Curious about training and QOL.

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Old 01-10-2017 | 11:57 AM
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Originally Posted by jetfly
Hi - new to the site. What are your thoughts on Piedmont vs Endeavor. Would be commute to both (no option in base) and seem similar pay and upgrade. Both also have some flow agreement... but these seem like more of a recruiting tool. Curious about training and QOL.

Looked around and didn't see anything exactly on this topic.
Where are you commuting from?
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Old 01-10-2017 | 12:08 PM
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Originally Posted by jetfly
Hi - new to the site. What are your thoughts on Piedmont vs Endeavor. Would be commute to both (no option in base) and seem similar pay and upgrade. Both also have some flow agreement... but these seem like more of a recruiting tool. Curious about training and QOL.

Looked around and didn't see anything exactly on this topic.
Lol. Keep visiting this page guaranteed someone will spoon feed you despite what has been said. (There is no endeavor flow, don't get those confused)
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Old 01-10-2017 | 12:15 PM
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PDT pays $51K minimum first year with no 121 experience. EDV pays $57K. Both are good companies. Consider moving to live in base, or pick another regional that is based where you live now if not willing to move, for QoL. If you commute, expect to lose 4-6 days of your time off each month getting back and forth to work. With only 11 days off at first, those 4-6 days start having a LOT of meaning very quickly, more than $5-8K of salary per year.
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Old 01-10-2017 | 12:27 PM
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Originally Posted by HighFlight
PDT pays $51K minimum first year with no 121 experience. EDV pays $57K. Both are good companies. Consider moving to live in base, or pick another regional that is based where you live now if not willing to move, for QoL. If you commute, expect to lose 4-6 days of your time off each month getting back and forth to work. With only 11 days off at first, those 4-6 days start having a LOT of meaning very quickly, more than $5-8K of salary per year.
I agree with highflight, DO NOT COMMUTE for a regional. The QOL at any regional is bad enough but adding commute time to it will make it that much worse. With that said, only go to a regional that is offering at least a $20,000 bonus. If they don’t offer that don’t go, as far as flow throughs they are just that recruiting gimmicks.
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Old 01-10-2017 | 12:47 PM
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The pilots at PDT certainly don't think the flow is a gimmick. Nor the pilots at mainline who have flowed already.
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Old 01-10-2017 | 12:54 PM
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Don't think anyone is saying it is a gimmick, at least not in this thread. But I am curious... how many pilots have flowed to AA from PDT to date? How many per year?

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The pilots at PDT certainly don't think the flow is a gimmick. Nor the pilots at mainline who have flowed already.
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Old 01-10-2017 | 01:02 PM
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Don't ever move for a regional unless they're specifically paying for the move. Ask around about how many people have moved or bought houses in a base for a regional only to have that base reduce or close or move elsewhere.

Flow at pdt is not a "gimmick" the timeframes are most likely oversold by the recruiters though, but they just relay what they are told, check the pdt news and rumors thread for better estimates.
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Old 01-10-2017 | 01:13 PM
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Originally Posted by HighFlight
Don't think anyone is saying it is a gimmick, at least not in this thread. But I am curious... how many pilots have flowed to AA from PDT to date? How many per year?
Until recently the flow had been 3 per month of hiring, it went up to 4 for January because of increased pilot staffing. I believe the first class was Nov'14 so thats just about 2 full years of hiring or approximately 72 pilots that have flowed (there was no hiring/flow for this past Dec.)
At least another 48 will go this year (assuming hiring every month, not including if PDT hits staffing levels to move up to 5/month).
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Thanks for sharing the data.

As for your comment on not moving for a regional... that advice is not of the same quality for everyone. Moving, for some folks, is a good move.

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Until recently the flow had been 3 per month of hiring, it went up to 4 for January because of increased pilot staffing. I believe the first class was Nov'14 so thats just about 2 full years of hiring or approximately 72 pilots that have flowed (there was no hiring/flow for this past Dec.)
At least another 48 will go this year (assuming hiring every month, not including if PDT hits staffing levels to move up to 5/month).
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