2018 Tentative Agreement
 

Details regarding the new TA will be out within an hour. Anything good or bad can be posted here.

Not Endeavor rates. First year goes to $45 for FO max at 60.05 in 2020 at year 9 pay.

Captains pay tops out above Endeavor though at the top rates.

No. Sorry, but that's not gonna help retain nor hire. Endeavour or nothing. The Irish man has struck again.

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Same for me. Endeavor or nothing.

I’m a no vote, and I don’t see how it passes. I suspect this was management testing the waters.

This is not gonna go well. This group won’t settle for this.

13 year captain would be making $10 per hour less than an endeavor cr9 captain and $4 less per hour than a crj200 captain with this t/a!
Add me to the no vote total.

Nope. PDO is also laughable.

As someone from Endeavor I urge you to insist on Endeavor rates or better! Let's keep Endeavor from being an anamoly with regional pilot pay and instead raise all ships! Vote no. You're worth every bit as much as we are, maybe more since like someone had said there is no career progression or positive space commuting for you.

Can anyone share the details, or is it to be kept confidential for a while?

The FO payrates never reach Endeavor rates. First year dos $45.00 / $45.68 / $46.36. Second Year dos $50.00 / $51.00 / $52.02 Five year dos $53.06/ $54.12 / $55.20

Wow. That’s disappointing. Was really expecting more from your management. That barely beats the current rates at Compass.

Hopefully the next TA will look better after you vote No to this one.

Unless you’re planning to be SkyWest Part 2

Below top rates of Endeavor plus no retention bonus equals NO vote. The corporate tax rate has been slashed in tax reform. Remember also anyone soon to upgrade will endure an abusive reserve system that could have been addressed. As a senior FO with good schedules now going to reserve you will be shocked how bad it is. You will be used and abused. To make matters worse you have no flow. Tell them to pound sand!

35% / 65% doesn’t pass. That’s if it even goes to a vote, which is probably in doubt now.

You’re comparing an average increase of 20% for CA’s and 18% for FO’s to SkyWest’s 1% increase?

Not even close.

You guys deserve much much better than this. Keep fighting the good fight!

20%for captains? Only about 6% for the 1st year, nowhere near 20%. Endeavor didn't have to wait 3 years to get their full pay raise and neither should we.

Food for thought:
As of 1/1/2020, RAH CA rates will be equal or higher than those of Endeavor. That's less than 2 years, not 3. At that time, republic's nc will be back at the negotiating table. Endeavor's? Who knows?
Their CBA is till 2024. Also, how bout this....
Would you rather have Endeavor rates now but be forced to accept:
Junior Manning
NYC Co-basing
A reduction to 4 hours min day
A 30% increase in insurance premiums
Zero dollars HSA company contribution
An average line award of 76 hours (vs 87 at RAH) while averaging the same days off (14)

Truly objective apples to apples comparisons don't just include pay rates.

Also allows the company to offer unlimited bonuses to new hires. This includes tuition reimbursement. They will be using this, and it will result in FO currently on the seniority list getting less pay then new hires. Also the company will never be short of FOs again.


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Just to set the record straight here...

Junior manning: haven't ever seen it happen at EDV.

NYC Codomicile: industry standard. DL, AA, and UA all have it. No other regional has a presence at all three like EDV and Republic.

4 hour min day: I don't know what YX's is, but if its higher, sure you win.

Insurance: Well, I guess it depends who you are and what level of coverage you need.

HSA: EDV contributes up to $750 dollars/yr into that.

Line awards: Not sure how to discuss this one honestly, but I've had plenty of 90 hour lines by choice as a mid-range seniority FO with 15-16 days off. Most people I know flying the CRJ900 or with better than 50% seniority on the 200 flying 14 or less days off are crediting >100 hours. Everything we pickup off OT is 150%.

A lot of your points seem directed towards the senior pilots so lemme offer this too about Endeavor. We match up to 12.5% of your 401k contribution for the senior guys. And they'll run that match on any contributions made in the "catch up" category if you're eligible.

As expected the scare tactics have started. Didn’t expect it from the union though. This is exactly what happened with the last contract. Don’t be intimidated by scare tactics.

Not much junior manning takes place at a Endeavor. Additionally, the average block hours per duty period in January system wide on the 900 (the bulk of our fleet) was 5:20. At 16.5 days average worked/14 off that's 87 hours here as well (and it's skewed lower by our stand ups, which I don't believe Republic has). Finally, Endeavor contributes $1300 per year towards a family's HSA.

I'm not arguing I'm just saying that ya'll deserve and should get Endeavor pay rates now...not in 2020.

Very informative 1st post. So are you on the NC or in management. Not looking too good for this TA on the pilots FB page.

Endeavor took their bonus and turned it into pay rates (which was very smart) and by working more than 80 however many hours a month will make more with their new pay rate than what their bonus paid out. How long have they been paying that bonus which has put their pay well above ours? Years! Now our union is telling us that it's ok though because in a couple of years we will pass them. How much changes between now and then? It sound like most of those things that you said we'd be forced to accept have been debunked by endeavor pilots. All in saying is something along the lines of a bird in the hand vs 2 in the bush.

Much of the regional industry is likely 6-12 months away from new TAs for improved work rules and Endeavoresque compensation. If you don’t find this TA satisfactory (I know I sure wouldn’t), by all means vote it down. I don’t think you have a single thing to lose by voting “no” on this. The speed at which the industry is moving will force your managment to pay more one way or the other. “Endeavor or better” isn’t simply some cattle call. It should be the new standard because we’re worth that and more.

-Not using junior manning "very often" is a far cry from NOT CONTRACTUALLY PERMITTED.
-Their bump in HSA contributions still lacks republic's by 35%.
-Their Healthcare premiums are 30%+ higher than republic's
-Their average line value SYSTEM WIDE (not just selectively factoring the 900s) is 14 days off with 76 hours credit.
-And we haven't even touched on the "industry standard" co-basing that republic does not have.
Oh, and republic (and other carriers) credit 4.2 minimum, not 4.0

Don't you work for PSA? I really don't have much to say other than that.

Yet the company is CONTRACTUALLY PERMITTED to pay any overtime at 100% They can still pay straight time for it. They CAN pay 150 or 200% but aren't contractually forced to. And yea, I'd give up 12 minutes of min day pay which doesn't kick in all that often for an extra $10 per hour. Or you could have said that for tuition reimbursement which according to you was a big ask, we 'll just keep out min day at 4.2.

Three posts in- Who do you work for?

You don’t sound like an Republic Line pilot- you’re way too excited about a TA fails to deliver and will hopefully be voted down to show that Republic pilots deserve industry leading pay now, not what may be industry standard or less in three years time.

Republic set the bar a couple years ago which sparked the industry wide pay increases everyone has enjoyed. No reason they should settle for mediocre this time around.

HSA contributions look to be 800 for individual/1600 family at republic, 700/1300 at Endeavor. I can't find the exact cost of Republic insurance , but the Republic contract says the company pays at least 65% of the cost of the PPO plan... same exact language in Endeavor's contract. Where are you getting these 30 and 35% higher at Endeavor figures?

Also, it is perfectly reasonable to compare Republic's TA terms to Endeavor's 900 figures. Endeavor will be 74% crj700/900 by June.

Finally, codomicile came in exchange for positive space second attempt commuting. They'll even buy a passenger off the flight if needed for you to get you to work. While most pilots aren't too happy about the codomicile, positive space commuting is a game changer. The company and union have been showing positive progress at getting improvements to transportation between the two airports.

He’s either management or on the NC trying to sell this poop sandwich. He has a large amount of data to be just a line pilot.

If he can get it passed maybe he can be a VP someday too!

Originally Posted by MileHi
Food for thought:
As of 1/1/2020, RAH CA rates will be equal or higher than those of Endeavor. That's less than 2 years, not 3. At that time, republic's nc will be back at the negotiating table. Endeavor's? Who knows?
Their CBA is till 2024. Also, how bout this....
Would you rather have Endeavor rates now but be forced to accept:
Junior Manning
NYC Co-basing
A reduction to 4 hours min day
A 30% increase in insurance premiums
Zero dollars HSA company contribution
An average line award of 76 hours (vs 87 at RAH) while averaging the same days off (14)

Truly objective apples to apples comparisons don't just include pay rates.



Republic pilots. Things talked about in this post are concessionary. There is absolutely no reason to accept any concession in the current airline environment from our current contract so its irrelevant. As the largest regional its time to act like it. There is no flow and no retention bonus in this TA. Tell them to come back when you have one or the other!

It’s negotiations 101. The first sea is never the final deal. The only reason why we at endeavor voted yes was because for most of us, it’s a good pay raise. Please don’t accept the first go.

Propsed HSA contributions are $850/$1700 respectively. Endeavor pays $411/month for the family plan vs $308 at republic while having a smaller HSA contribution. Also, 74% 900s is not 100%. Your OVERALL average schedule is 76 hours with 14 days off. Republic's is 87 with the same number of days off. I guess a give on co-basing in exchange for commuter flights could be a good tradeoff if you're a commuter. But what if you live in base? Oh by the way, regardless of the frequency used, republic still prohibits junior manning. And no pilot sits airport standby either. QOL matters.

NO!! Endeavor or better


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2014 called and wants its self reighteous internet butt hurt back.

Yea I'm not so sure this is accurate. Per our Union, the average credit is 83 hours. Per the company its 88. So not sure where you're getting 76 unless you're talking January 2018. Not to mention how on Earth would an average credit of 76 occur with a min of 75? Furthermore, all deadheads are awarded at 75% but paid at 100%. So you'll always credit more than award if you have one DH per month. You'd have to have 90% of the pilot group get awarded 75 hour lines to offset the other 10% bidding Max line range, and even then you'd probably still crack 76 credit average company wide. Smells fishy.

Bidding Max days off and min credit with taking 6 weeks off for FMLA I still averaged 80 hours per month credit last year.

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Their cr2 rates pay more than the proposed 175 rates, but 74% is the higher paying 900 rates which are well above our proposed rates.
Also you know as well as I do that republic can easy start airport standby with a little effort. It's allowed per the contract and the company does seen to be redoing the crew rooms. Don't make it sound like they can't implement it because they can.

I understand pay rates aren't everything and that's why this thing is being viewed negatively. . This t/a is lacking in many other areas. 401k, commuting, commuter hotels, pay rates that are a let down with no improvement to soft pay to make up for it, no improvement for reserves, being told a whole new proposal was handed to the company only to find out we settled for an extension of our current contract with a couple loa's, ect.

This union provided quote says all you need to know...

"Industry average does NOT include Endeavor or Republic rates".