Just left the schoolhouse, they are still saying it with no specifics. AG did come in and do a short talk, she was asked and did say it was for planned growth, but again, she didn't go any further than that.

I’m not sure what people don’t understand about this “growth” situation. There are ONLY two ways we can take those aircraft as additional growth:

1) Scope relief
2) Someone loses flying

#1 doesn’t appear as if it’s going to happen, nor should anyone be hoping for that.

#2 also appears less likely now that GoJet was saved by the CRJ550 deal. The only logical airline we could possibly take flying from in the future would be Compass. And even then, they don’t operate anywhere close to 100 aircraft.

The CRJ550 could allow the possibility of adding larger RJs, so that’s something to watch. Also, we could technically operate those planes for someone other than the Big 3, but again, that seems unlikely.

I’m not trying to be negative. I actually like my job and I think Republic is a fine place to work. But I think the picture that is being painted in regards to our future is much brighter than it actually is.

Or what they do understand....

I wasn’t making an argument either way, just reporting what’s being said by those supposedly “in the know”.



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Not disagreeing with this, just adding info... the published articles quote BB as saying this jet order “positions Republic to compete for the more than 300 regional aircraft we anticipate being up for bid during the next five years as existing flying agreements expire with our global codeshare partners.” No idea what 300+ regional aircraft he’s talking about, but I wouldn’t be surprised if some kind of initial agreement has been made with codeshare partner(s) to take someone else’s flying. I also wouldn’t be terribly surprised if none of that happens lol

We are sitting on a ton of cash and will take Compass if it's still a good look when the time is right IMO. TSH lost their chances of selling all 3 certs a long time ago. Also, keep in mind other Ejet contracts will be expiring this year and next for some other people (Mesa). We have the staffing to take those quickly and the reliability numbers to back us as a good quick and ready solution.

...but then again it's all speculation and we really have no clue what's going on behind closed doors till it happens. All I know if Befford wants to go head to head with SKW and sitting here burning money on new planes and pilots that aren't going to fly isn't something he probably intends to do.

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Say hello to the new erj 550!



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Where are RAH pilots going? Heard that since the big 3 usually don’t hire from RAH, pilots tend to move onto JB, SW, Atlas, etc...

Would it be fair to say that a person should choose another regional to a higher chance at going to the big 3?

Disclaimer: I’m jot bashing the company or the pilot group. Have lots of friends there and my interaction with the company has been nothing, but positive. Just trying to get a feel for career progression after RAH.

To be blunt and honest, if you’re going to believe that any air carrier is going to turn down your application because of a specific prior air carrier listed, over any lack of personal attribution’s provided on your resume, this probably isn’t the right career for you. You define yourself, you make the effort and you get yourself hired. Republic’s name will not help you, nor hurt you. Either will any other regional outside of the 10-year flows.

Republic pilots go to any of the Big 6, like any other qualified applicants. I can tell you first hand this rumor has been going on since 2008, maybe longer. Rather than criticizing yourself when you get no call from a legacy, people find it easier to base assumptions on useless/groundless statistics provided by the union. These stats are published from pilots that choose to VOLUNTEER their info to them, like any other carrier.

It’s a baseless rumor, that’s all it is.

I get your point, but that only answer the second part of my question. Still looking for answers on part one of my question.

Truthfully, I get the whole define yourself and whatever else, but I’m trying to figure out the “why” to the “what” and your reply didn’t help much.

To add to my hunch, upgrade at RAH is a slightly longer than other regionals (for obvious reasons), so becoming a check airman would also take a bit longer compared to other companies. This would be my guess, but I could be wrong.

Anyone have any thoughts on this?

Try rereading his post. The first sentence of the second paragraph answers your first question.

So, my fault for not clarifying, why does it seem that RAH pilots take longer to end up at the big 3 than other pilots at other regionals?

What statistics are you referring to?

Well, for one thing we have a lot of “lifer” types, including people who got stuck in the lost decade and now have too much time to be marketable, plus a fairly good sized portion of our junior captains who live in base aren't in a huge hurry to leave. Many will wait a couple years after upgrading to start applying other places.

Those who want out quickly and put the effort into it (and don’t just ***** about not getting a call incessantly without making active steps to change/improve their resume) typically get out quickly.

They don’t take any longer than any other pilots............

Where are you getting this information from?

Is your goal to get to a legacy fast? It takes good timing, a clean background and a full resume. Looking for Delta? You’ll need to be atleast 6-foot, broad shoulders and preferably not a white-male.

Wherever you choose to “pay your dues” is negligible. QOL should be the only consideration.

Recruiting stats showed RAH pilots going to the Big 3 in smaller numbers compared to the other companies.

As far as comparison to other regionals, I haven’t spoken to a mainline pilot that’s come from RAH. Put that with how fast it is to become LCA or some other leadership position at a different shop (and mainline hires LCA and pilots in leadership position), I get my hypothesis. But it’s just that, a hypothesis.

Well, not sure about all of that so let me put it this way. I do not feel that i put myself in a lesser position to go to a legacy by going here vs. any other Regional.

Not so much hard stats, more anecdotal than anything. Along with some some numbers from RAH recruiters that shows smaller number of pilots going to the Big 3 compared to some other carriers like Spirit, Atlas, etc...

Again, this is a hypothesis, but I say it’s because upgrading takes longer thus getting a leadership position (LCA, CP, instructor, etc...) takes longer.

If your on the seniority list at YX, go to the local Facebook page. You will find the info you’re looking for, and yes less then 15 went to the Big 3 last year as pure civilian hires. The volunteer who puts the info together is pretty transparent, and the spread sheets are all there for your review. Yes some (14 I think) I a blank spot for where they left. Also you can get info through ALPA for United, and maybe DAL. American isn’t going to happen for most civilians at YX, so probably stick to the other 2.

Most seem to be going to Southwest, JetBlue or Spirit.

Try to get in the training department early, or try to get a union leadership position.

Are you talking about the union FB page, or another one?

The Local 357 FB page, although it may also be on the RP page. Search “Pilots who left” within that page, and you should find it. Actually some good info on attrition and retention as well from the same guy.

Awesome! Thank you for the info!

Your telling me that Over 30000 mainline pilots you have never talked to one that came from mokulele, shuttle, us airways jets for jobs, Chautauqua, frontier, and what ever company I missed the republic owned?



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In 2014-2015 Republic was losing pilots monthly to both US and DAL. I personally know at least s dozen that went to DAL in 2015. I left early 2018, and I think the union said less then 40 for the entire year (2017) left to big 3. The numbers have definitely dwindled over the last several years. I believe this is common knowledge on the line at Republic.

Less than 40 went to the Big 3? Out of a pilot group that’s 2000+ strong?

This confirms my hunch. It’s not that I spoke to all 30,000 mainline pilots and none came from RAH, just the the ones I’ve spoken to didn’t come from RAH. Actually, I know of an AA pilot who flew for Chautauqua, but he got hired about a decade ago? I’m referring to more recent numbers.

Again, I don’t want to come off like I’m insulting the pilot group. That’s not my intention. I just wanted some info on the matter is all.

In my recruiting materials, there’s a chart that says 24% of the pilots who leave go to one of the legacies. Next one down is Southwest at 19%. After that is all the Spirits, Allegiants, etc. So actually, according to that chart, Southwest is #1 at 19%, and the legacies average 8% each.

But of those that go to the legacies a half to two thirds of those have prior military background. For those of us without that experience, it dampens expectations to move on to one of those carriers. That’s what the recruiting chart doesn’t show, hence the talk about it.


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Exactly. I also find it deceptive that 1) they combine the 3 legacies so they can make it a bigger number, and 2) the “bar” lengths in the bar graph are not proportional to each other — the 24% legacy bar is intentionally made longer to give the visual impression that a large number of RAH pilots go there.

And where are the stats that show how many guys applied? Or how many years they had in? Training failures? Background issues? Years of education? GPA? Interest in mainline to begin with? Was mainline hiring? Etc....

The point being these are just dry numbers. You can’t justify anything off of these stats without knowing any of the above mentioned. Republic does not have a flow.... Your the flow!

The guys with military experience have a “full” resume. They can check the “volunteer” box and possibly “leadership” box depending on what they did. Civilians need to put effort into that in order to be competitive and this doesn’t necessarily mean “leadership” positions at the airline or union.

Unfortunately, the regionals set a bad example during their hiring sprees. There is no “pilot shortage” at mainline, so it involves selling yourself to get a job and a lot of younger guys with no experience outside of being a CFI or just the aviation industry have a hard time demonstrating this and lack the effort because they were “handed” their first 121 job. The regional bought them... What I’m seeing nowadays is guys who are just flight hour motivated, which is really the last thing that makes you competitive.

If you’re going to use dry statistics like these to base your decisions off of without using basic logic then you’re making a mistake.

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The point is that when looking at how many the legacies hired last year and the size of our pilot group that number should be larger.


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Agreed.

But I can’t support people who believe Republic’s name is damaging to their chances. Look at the individual that’s applying.

Personally, if something doesn’t go my way, then the first thing I look at/blame is myself before I even consider any outside factors and it works! I don’t want to generalize, but you seldom see this discipline this day and age. It’s always somebody else’s fault.

Well on that I certainly agree with you 100%. You have to have personal accountability.

What I think people are struggling to get at, myself included, is why the disparity? Sure we have a more senior group that is likely not trying as hard as a more junior group like Compass. Is that the only reason though?


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No it’s not because every pilot has a check ride failure, no degree, felon, or just sucks. Many instructors have at least BA degrees and some have MS degrees and aren’t getting called. I will concede we probably have a segment at YX who are lifers, but that still doesn’t account for the small numbers moving on to big 3. Some choose to believe that management at YX and would never do anything unethical. From my experience that’s simply not the case, but I eagerly await them proving me wrong.

The senior guys are not going anywhere because either 1) they’re too qualified with TT, essentially “stagnant” in the eyes of mainline recruiters posing a training risk for them (great thread somewhere on here about this) or 2) they simply have no need too. YX is a GREAT regional for a “lifer,” especially if you have a spouse and kids. Would I be willing to place my career in the hands of any regional though? Absolutely not!!

JetBlue has swept up RAH pilots for years. They have actually stated to new hires that they like the way our pilots are trained. Whatever that means... but it’s a plus for the company.

As far as mainline, it could be we have less people putting in the effort, it could be luck of draw, nobody knows unless we can compare ALL regional pilots to one another. I wouldn’t blame the name though.

Far more pilots go to ACMI, ULCCs, and LCCs then to the legacies. Many FOs leave before upgrade, and not from failures. Although failures were pretty high last summer. When you get on the seniority list, then check out the union FB page. Good info, and it’s simply the raw data.

Premium pay being offered for extra flying today and tomorrow. But there’s only 2 trips in open time. Everyone, including myself, is saying we’re over staffed, then this happens.

Anyone know what’s going on? Are we picking up flying for someone?

There were a ****load of IAH trips that got dumped on us for the month of March. Mostly BTR and CRP overnights, some over and over again.

All XJ flying.

🤣🤣🤣🤣 Wow..... those poor souls can’t even cover their own flying yet they get awarded brand new EJets.

What an industry to work in.

My thoughts exactly, it’s hilarious. They’re still not filling classes. This summer it’s gonna be “ExpressJet operated by Republic Airways”......

Great news for those of us wanting IAH, I suppose! I can probably leverage that to sit out-of-base reserve some in IAH if we're going to be covering a bunch of their flying.

Hi everyone. How's the hiring situation right now, any updates?. Still overstaffed/training delays/December classes?