Sitting closer to 4 weeks, but yes. Enjoy the vacation!

And then comple LOE. Then enjoy the home vacation for months waiting for a call from CS, getting denied for any trip pickups. F this place

Lol what are you doing wrong? Everyone I know was able to pick up

IOE Delay
 

FYI, at the moment there is no delay between LOE and IOE (except the 5 days per the CBA).

Good news. On an unrelated note.....Dad?

After my class they were known to have cut back on the size of the new hire classes to give them time to catch up (close to 15 than 25 students per class). In a month or two we may begin seeing the effects of the raise at the other regionals. An interesting side effect will be that those regionals will have their training departments overwhelmed and likely to be long delays to begin and complete training. A few may come to YX anyway just because we won't have any delays.

Wait.. seriously??

can confirm. 9 days from getting home to start of IOE

Insane! Thanks for the update

That’s awesome. I’m starting next month…. Let’s hope it continues.

No delays from LOE to IOE, 11 days here

It’s not $90 an hour, but there is substantial career value in this.

It will. There are very few new captains so Check Airman are getting paired up with new FO's. I was just in Indy for recurrent and an instructor teaching the captain upgrades said there were originally 6 in this class, only 3 showed up. More than likely the next 2 upgrade classes will be cancelled. The July attrition numbers could be staggering.

wow, that's bad. Beginning of the end.

Why stay when you can make more elsewhere. If this recession doesn’t hurry up (which is what mgmt is hoping for so they don’t have to give fair pay rates), YX will be half the size or less than it is today, by Thanksgiving/Christmas time.

who cares about delays to IOE when your ass will sit forever on reserve once you’re done training. If your’e not IND or PIT based….good luck.

I think I’d rather sit forever on reserve, flying occasionally, than be waiting 4 months to start IOE - which is what SkyWest is dealing with currently. Those guys are getting their careers set back and will never get that time back. That delay (or lack thereof) absolutely matters, even if your feelings are hurt by an extended reserve stint.

10 days, LOE to IOE for me.

My friends in training at Republic.

He starts flat plate display training on Monday.

After the procedures validation he has his oral. What’s covered in the oral? Straight systems and limitations or operational procedures too?

I’m surprised that nobody’s briefed him on exactly what you’re responsible for on the oral?

Is there a gouge?

At United on day one you know exactly what you’re responsible for on each phase of training and validations.

Thanks.

Gouges for the KV are not very good right now. Every person in our class had a different experience. Some examiners stayed basically top level. If you read the guide they give you, go through the systems manual a bit you were fine. Others (like me) had guys who would go as deep as they possibly could. Every time I answered a question he would go levels deeper until I had no idea what he was asking. Even referring to things no one in training had mentioned. Things not in any of the Manuals at all.

Don't just focus on what is suggested, the Bold and Italicized. Look at everything. If you can go through each button on the overhead panel and talk about what they do, what they mean, you should be in a pretty good spot.

my experience was similar last year. My KV was a little over 2 hours going deep into each system until my head was spinning. My sim partner was an hour but they talked about muscle cars for the first 30 minutes.

Know what every panel on the preflight slides are for. Know what every switch in the cockpit does when pressed. Know when you would press a switch (mostly when the qrh says to). Know how to manually calculate your landing speeds and apply corrections. Know every bold and italic ops limit and memory action cold.

This is correct. In addition, go over all the questions ar the end of the systems chapters and be able to answer them.

therr are gouges around- some on Quizlet but be sure to check the answers. Tell him to ask his classmates. People have the gouges, but they won’t give unless you ask. Find out who had the same CKA for the oral and ask them about it.

Disregard previous post

I think this is true because a KV should be a learning experience. Mine was like this. At some point you could see the examiner was okay with how I was doing and that relaxed me as probably passing, but, he just kept going. They have to dig into what you know, then find out what you don't so they can teach you a few more things about your airplane.

Thanks for all the responses on what’s covered in the oral. I’ll pass on to my friend.

Your friend should be asking those questions to his instructors. They know the guys giving the KV and very likely have a good idea of what to expect. If not, they have easy access.

Class Date Shifts
 

I received my CJO this week. However, I was told to expect a Class Date in November. Any chance that could get bumped up earlier due to no shows & cancellations? I don't need the ATP/CTP since I've had my ATP since before many of my classmates were born. Also could someone define the Alphabet Soup of Training Phase acronyms. Some make sense, some look made up. thanks. :-)

SV= systems validation (written test)
PV= procedures validation in flat panel trainer (flows, checklists and callouts)
KV= knowledge validation (oral systems test)
MV= maneuvers validation (in sim- v1 cuts, etc)
LOE= line oriented evaluation (checkride in sim)
IOE= initial operating experience (in aircraft with a check airman)

FPT= flat panel trainer
FMT= full motion trainer (sim)
SBT= special breakout training (extra training session)

hope that helps.

Maybe.. it depends more so on where the training is gonna take place. Heard a move might be happening in September/October and they want as many new classes in the new set up

They are supposed to open the new training center with Sims in Carmel, IN in October 2022. If that timeline is still the case, the classes/hiring will slow or stop during Sept/Oct to facilitate the move.

+1 asked about moving my class date up during that time frame and they told me "don't count on it, we're gonna be busy with the training center"

Thank you that does help. The AQP acronyms I knew as I'm an I/E in an AQP Program. It was the training phases that were tripping me up. Every company has different names for them. Very appreciated.

Housing During Training
 

Can anyone speak from recent training experience on the total footprint of their training? I have a class date coming up, and currently live across the country. I have the option to either renew my lease for another chunk of months, or throw all my stuff in storage for the duration of training and rely on the hotel provided by RPA. I would consider looking at apartments at some of the domiciles, but don't know which one I'll be assigned after training (and I want to make sure I live in-base). They quoted 95 days being the current training footprint (including IOE) in the intro email, with a couple segments of training spent at home doing iPad training or on breaks. Is it a good idea to continue to have an apartment across the country during training for things like breaks, delays, and at-home iPad training? Or should I save the rent money and stick with the RPA-provided hotel during training?

I just finished training, indoc to IOE for me was 75 days. The only real time to go home once training begins is during ethos which is a two week long “at home” system course. You can do this part anywhere, they just kick you out of Indy and have you study your iPad for 2 weeks. Aside from that I only had a max of 4 days off of training once. I would commit yourself to training if I were you and find somewhere to crash during ethos .

I say just keep the apartment unless you have somewhere else you can go live. I only say this because you are at the leisure of the company once they start training you. So if you have a gap in training and they decide to send you home, then you will have no place to go. For example, after shift training half my class went back home for another week and half my class went straight into the next training phase.

Also for ethos you will be home for 2 weeks learning off your ipad

Just keep the apartment just to be safe unless you have someone else you can stay with in the event they send you home for a gap in training.

I'd also recommend renewing your lease, if you can do so for a few months at a time. Seems like that would be a lot to deal with during training. If you can't renew, plan on somewhere you can crash for a few weeks if they send you home for a bit, or (knock on wood) you don't make it through training. Not pleasant to think about but good to plan for.

Out of curiosity, when is your class date? I'm in the cadet program and was set up for an October date but was told last week that now I'm waitlisted for November

I'm in the last class of October, haven't gotten anything about being waitlisted (yet...fingers crossed!)

It wasn't specifically said, but, you mentioned relying on the hotel YX gets you for training. They aren't going to pay for that hotel during the systems (ethos) training. You'll be sent home so you will need to either have a place to stay for that time or pay for your own hotel, (probably cheaper than paying a month in your apartment, you can get a crew rate or negotiate with the hotel manager).

Story time here. We had a new hire in my class who was trying to find an apartment, sign a lease, and move his family into it after he got assigned his first base during training. He created so much stress and time suck for himself that he didn't make it through the training. He had a lot of flying experience too. I'd be VERY careful about doing this. I'm sure there are those who are successful at it, but, my advice would be concentrate on the training! When you get out, get an apartment in your base with no lease or other temporary situation, then look around and find something more permanent while you're on reserve. Just something to think about.