Positive space commuting probably on the way

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Quote: The codeshares only really care about the flights being on time for connecting reasons if going to a hub.
You think codeshares don't care if your flight is late unless your going to miss a connection? Imma disagree with that.​​​​

Quote: huge perk for free.
It's not a perk. It's getting planes out on time.

Its tens of thousands of dollars if they don't, espec now that the gov requires instant refunds if the flight is cancelled.

I think that rule will help push it thru
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Quote: So you are suggesting that the mainline partner (which does give positive space after 1 or 2 failed jumpseat attempts) gets positive space to get a flight out on time, but the contractor may not have positive space under the same conditions to get one of their mainline regional flights out on time?
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Yes, regionals just do not receive the same benefits as mainline. Add in that RPA flies for 3 competing carriers, how do you suppose RPA goes about getting that kind of language written into their CBA? Sure, UA does offer PS for certain weather related events, but it is at their discretion and certainly never a guarantee it will happen.

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It's not a perk. It's getting planes out on time.

Its tens of thousands of dollars if they don't, espec now that the gov requires instant refunds if the flight is cancelled.

I think that rule will help push it thru
It is a perk to those who do not live in base and is nothing to those who do live in base.
We disagree and that's okay.
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Quote: It is a perk to those who do not live in base and is nothing to those who do live in base.
We disagree and that's okay.
Honestly, being able to commute at all is a perk. Any other job requires you to move to the location of your job (unless it's remote). I just don't agree with any notion that it is on the company to facilitate living out of base.

Now, the exception would be those living in what used to be a base. If Bricky wants to talk about PS for those pilots for something like two years after a base closure, I'd be all ears.
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Ok, first, unless you actually live in lga u r a commuter

All our trips go through there.

If you have a 4-5 day there's a great chance you're staying at the ROCK

Ok, so we're all commuting and should have lga as our biggest base. Ind should be tiny not or biggest base.



y'all act like ps is some incredible deal.
it's still commuting. It's more time away from our home. But, you "non-commuters" (btw if you drive hours to work, or you get a hotel Rather than drive home, u r a commuter) are so upset. All I'm actually saving is some gas money. Maybe republic could offset your feels with a live in base (lolz) stipend of $50 since your not "commuting"

The airlines get on time departures. It's a win
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Quote: Honestly, being able to commute at all is a perk. Any other job requires you to move to the location of your job (unless it's remote). I just don't agree with any notion that it is on the company to facilitate living out of base.

Now, the exception would be those living in what used to be a base. If Bricky wants to talk about PS for those pilots for something like two years after a base closure, I'd be all ears.
Agreed.

Quote: Ok, first, unless you actually live in lga u r a commuter​​​​
I think what you meant to say is that unless you actually live in any base, you are a commuter. That goes without saying.

Quote: Ok, so we're all commuting . . . ​
No, we are not all commuting. That's not how it works.

Quote: y'all act like ps is some incredible deal.​​​​
Because it would be an incredible deal. There are a lot of moving (and expensive) parts to get that accomplished that I do not think RPA has any interest in doing at the management level.

Maybe PS could be a point of concern at the next contract negotiations, who knows. What would be good to know is how that entire pilot group would feel about it. Let's say there are only 50% commuters company-wide, how much traction would it gain at the union level when it comes time for a vote if that would be at the expense of a benefit 80% could enjoy?
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Quote: Yes, regionals just do not receive the same benefits as mainline. Add in that RPA flies for 3 competing carriers, how do you suppose RPA goes about getting that kind of language written into their CBA? Sure, UA does offer PS for certain weather related events, but it is at their discretion and certainly never a guarantee it will happen.
No, they receive what they negotiate in their CBA's. How, the pilots negotiate it in, that's how. The CPA's all have language for deadheading crew for operational necessity.
You clearly do not understand how things actually work. The parent company, lets use AAG for example which owns 4 airlines that are all sister companies to eachother. The cancelations, A14, D0, all effect the same parent entity. It's money from a different pocket, but the same pair of pants.

Quote: It is a perk to those who do not live in base and is nothing to those who do live in base.
We disagree and that's okay.
While I agree it is a benefit to those who commute, it is not a perk. It is something the company needs to ensure D0 does not drop below certain levels. It is something the union negotiated for and was agreed to by the company. In some cases when the shortage was at it's worst, companies approached the unions to offer this. They even offered unlimited commuter hotels at one point at a few carriers. You can still find commuter hotels in the CBA's at many regionals.
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Quote: Honestly, being able to commute at all is a perk. Any other job requires you to move to the location of your job (unless it's remote). I just don't agree with any notion that it is on the company to facilitate living out of base.

Now, the exception would be those living in what used to be a base. If Bricky wants to talk about PS for those pilots for something like two years after a base closure, I'd be all ears.
If you work for a taxi company, you get a free ride to/from work. Same with a bus, or train. There are some things that just come with the job.

If the airline wants their plane out on tme, they provide positive space. All the ACMI carriers do with rare exceptions, and several of them have fixed bases/domiciles. Even places like Contour are starting to offer positive space.... to the point of actually buying a ticket. If a small regional like them can do that, there is ZERO excuse for any legacy or large regional. If the ACMI's can do it, why can't you? Because you don't like it? okay, opinion noted, next.....

I guess you don't like the free commuter hotels the regional guys get at many carriers either.
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Quote: You think codeshares don't care if your flight is late unless your going to miss a connection? Imma disagree with that.​​​​


It's not a perk. It's getting planes out on time.

Its tens of thousands of dollars if they don't, espec now that the gov requires instant refunds if the flight is cancelled.

I think that rule will help push it thru
Delta gave pilots during covid positive space. Commuter reliability went down by a significant margin. Pilots simply took the last flight in without regard to weather or known operational issues. That is why even though positive space was pushed heavily in the last contract the company flat refused. If the onus is on the pilot they to get to work or face discipline or possible termination they get creative and find ways to get to work with backups.
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Quote: . . . You clearly do not understand how things actually work. . . .
Should you choose to accept a position with RPA, I will welcome the education brought on by your experience.
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Quote: Should you choose to accept a position with RPA, I will welcome the education brought on by your experience.
Remember his posts from the "JuMpSeAt WaR" a few years back? He would be the most insufferable person to fly with.
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