Republic 190's
 

"Skyworld Aviation is pleased to announce that Republic Airways Holdings have jointly appointed Skyworld to assist in the marketing of a package of EMB 190's. The marketing arrangement is shared with DVB Bank and Skyworld will be focussing marketing efforts on all territories outside of the America's."


Skyworld Aviation is appointed to market EMB 190's

Uh, does Republic fly anything besides 190s, 170s, Q4s, and 145s?

Maybe Airways will buy them back?

they should add the airbus to that list as well

Actually, maybe the IBT should have kept there nose out of the companies attempt to restructure Frontier to make it a viable and profitable asset to RAH.

And let them walk all over section 1 of the contract? Yeah not a smart idea. It's important for the entire RAH family to have one list to avoid whipsaw.

Before anyone says, "You're just trying to get an Airbus seat!!!" I don't work for RAH or any other regional.

And how's that scope clause working for y'all?

I hear the first new E190 to be delivered in Frontier colors is instead flying around the world on a tour for Embraer because Republic won't take delivery and use the plane due to the IBT dispute. True?

One list would have been fine if it was a realistic list that was fair and equitable to all parties. Unfortunately, the IBT chose not to participate in a reasonable mediation with the other parties.

Instead the IBT 'shot for the moon' with arbitrator Eishen and got it.

The resulting lopsided, unrealistic SLI guaranteed that the groups could never work together on any kind of 'one list', and as such, guaranteed a separation/sale of the Frontier product.

If the IBT had agreed to a reasonable mediated solution, 'one list' could have been workable and beneficial for all parties.

Instead, you will see Frontier sold. You will also see your 190s and some smaller branded ERJs disappear. Thank you IBT.

You are confused. BB is selling ERJs because they are unprofitable in the branded operation. One of two scenarios is likely.

1. He will BUY Airbus aircraft with the money he gets from selling ERJs.

2. The buyer of Frontier doesn't want the 190s and they can't be used elsewhere in the RAH network.

But they are selling the ERJ part of the E170 & E190 and the few Dash-8 they kept. That sounds like allot of airplanes. They can't find anyone to fly these airplanes for?

So, what would have been a realistic SLI award, workable and beneficial for all parties? While I agree the award was far from perfect (I got screwed royally), the other proposals were basically a staple of native RAHers to list of the other proposing parties. Can't say that's fair either.

Fair to a f9 guy is to staple everyone else below them. What is fair is the current SLI that all parties agreed to binding arbitration.

Why don't you guys get that?

Just want to make one point clear, we would LOVE to see the frontier side sold. RAH would lose a few airplanes, but its a small price to pay for ridding yourself of an endless money pit. On that note, as long as f9 is a part of RAH, there needs to be one list, end of story.

Where are these planes coming from? Are they getting rid of 170's too?

It will be sold. The only other option will be shutting it down and selling the pieces. Do most of the RAH pilots feel the same way you do? If so, then can we count on the IBT NOT suing for your "arbitrated seniority" once we are sold?

Does this mean when the 190s are sold they will get rid of the 190 crews like they did with the 717 crews?

You might want to look at the company website again, click on the link and look at the 3 shinny E170 that are up for sale/lease. Could this be more management games, just like the furloughs - only time will tell!

I could be wrong but sounds to me like contract negotiations a la bb style. Doom and gloom has always been this guys M.O and we're getting down to the 2 minute warning

As much as you hate it, its just seniority. The list is what it is no matter how much you wish otherwise. If a sale occurs, there are many variables to consider. Does the fence ensure only f9 pilots go? Better question is will the buyer want to keep the pilots? A million things need to happen before a lawsuit would be in consideration. To answer your question directly, i dont have a clue what the ibt would do.

Hugely key!!! Way to go IBT!!!

the list remians if sold... it's not instantly undone....

no, there is a IMSL now that allows for displacement... i know your ? was rhetorical.

^^^This^^^

The rumor is circulating at US Airways that Republic may be exploring selling BACK to US the 190s that US previously sold to RAH. The rumor goes on to state that these 190s added back to US would be deployed out of DCA in support of the expansion there driven by the slot swap deal.

I am not sure about SCOPE at US, but wouldn't it be cheaper to have RAH fly the E190 for US. You don't mean to tell me that all this turmoil and inability to find qualified pilots is affecting performance and negating the savings gained by outsourcing to the lowest bidder?

Many of you may remember Gordon Bethune's book "From Worst to First: Behind the Scenes of Continental's Remarkable Comeback "?

BB's new book is coming out shortly "From First to Worst: Lessons on Turning a Top Regional Airline into a Bankrupt Major Airline, with forewords by WH on Union Busting and Bankruptcy Planning" It is supposed to fund his new tennis courts and Olympic size pool at his house.

Unfortunately for all concerned it truly looks like the fuse is lit on the Bankruptcy of RAH or a dramatic change at the top -- or both.

Not being able to make money on planes that are flying around 90+% full, with the lowest labor costs in the industry demonstrates a need for a change in leadership. I really think the BOD at RAH will soon have enough of BB's and WH's lack of performance and vision and require a change. Without a change at the top VERY soon, the Bankruptcy fuse will be VERY short.

While we're at it, why not start flying some Airbuses for US Airways. I bet they could find a company willing to fly the 330 and probably even the 767. Why have pilots at all at US Airways. They're so pesky.

I think all flying should be flown by the lowest bidder and the brand names like United and US Airways and American should just be shells with all operations outsourced. China could bring in their tens of thousands of qualified pilots (trained at US schools) and fly under Chinese rules. Americans will love getting the most bang for their buck. And they won't have those damn unions mucking things up with annoying 'regulations' that involve safety. Damn union pilots with their demands like being paid and having days off. Seriously, who needs that if we can get a cheaper supplier of labor? Bring on the A330!

Those pesky pilots and their scope clauses..... sheesh. :D

All jokes aside, would the US SCOPE allow RAH to fly the E190 for them. Of course I don't want to see that, I am just curious how is it that RAH has airplanes that they can't find someone to fly for, is this a corporate tactic to gain leverage over the pilots. I understand that the no one is looking for 50 seaters and that the Q400 fleet is to small (4) to be operated efficiently but just wondering why they are looking to unload 7 Ejets.

I think their scope is limited to 86 seats, which is where the 175s are and the CRJ-900s. Incredible. Those are nearly the size of the Fokker 100 and the short DC-9s.

All that flying needs to be brought back in house. Unfortunately, it's pretty hard to unring that bell.

Scope protection is weak in many contracts because I think most negotiators thought it impossible what would happen. It never occurred to many folks that so much flying would be outsourced.

The clear lesson to be learned is that if something is not specifically prohibited in a contract, it is permitted. If it is not illegal, it is legal.

I agree, I wasn't sure about US Scope. I know AA is trying very hard on Scope. Compensation, I think they will get there allot easier that they will on Scope. Scope is probably the hold up on the AA contract. But as long as APA doesn't give in are able to maintain a tight grip on the flying that opens the door for the other pilot unions to have a leg to stand on.

Sure you don't.

...............

Republic Airways reports $123 million 4Q loss
 

Indianapolis-based Republic Airways Holdings Inc. has reported that it lost $123.5 million for the fourth quarter of 2011, compared with a loss of $1.3 million a year earlier, according to a news release.

The latest results included a charge of $191.1 million to reduce the carrying value of certain assets, mainly the company’s 42 owned 37- to 50-seat aircraft, the release said. The company also recorded non-cash charges of about $24.1 million related to the expected return of four leased A319 aircraft in 2012 and about $9 million related to the renegotiation of its E190 purchase order and the expected return of leased Embraer aircraft in 2012.

Operating revenue rose 7.4 percent to $697.8 million, primarily due to an 11 percent increase in revenue from its Frontier Airlines subsidiary.

“We are very pleased with our fourth-quarter results, especially in light of significant fuel price headwinds on our branded operations,” CEO Bryan Bedford said in the news release. “Our restructuring efforts during 2011, coupled with strong unit revenue growth at Frontier, enabled us to produce significantly improved ex-item results this quarter, in spite of more than $35 million of increased fuel costs.”

they wrote down the value of the 145's they owned. they had them listed at above current market value and wrote them down to market value. basically they are trying to show a loss so they dont have to pay the pilots (or any other employee group) a liveable wage

How many 190's on the property and anyone have any ideas as to their future considering the impending sale/transfer of F9? (since F9 is the only airline that they can currently fly them as a FFD)

15.

If F9 is sold (my bet is some shell game with F9 "sold" to current shareholders) then there will be an at risk contract for the 190 flying. More info in the 4Q earnings call @rjet.com

You must accept the nature of Airlinii Pilotus It's is in the creatures nature to be both parasitic and cannibalistic. That is what they have evolved into.

Fascinating to watch the little creatures scurrying about like that........

Sorry guys but nobody is going to buy Frontier. That said RAH may be able to give it away so that it they won't have to throw more money in the hole. Sorry to all Frontier people but the end is near. "cue somber music here"...

welcome to the machine - pink floyd - YouTube

maybe not somber enough, but you gotta admit it's a great song.