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Republic Positives?
The Republic carriers have some bases that would work for me. (I know, they can change at the drop of a hat). Anyway, with the recent slamfest (justified as it may be) is there anything redeeming about Republic? Is there any part of working there that would be preferable to another regional?
Thanks, Emma |
The Jets are REALLY Shiny!
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As with any regional, you will drop some weight because you cannot afford to eat.
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Not really. Low pay. ( the fo pay increase the company will probably take away). Very long upgrades! Low quality of life.
Now all this might change with a new contract! |
It's the same story for any regional. They all suck. Go to the one that you can potentially live in base.
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Which comes first, the signing of the training contract, or your airline and base assignment? I ask because I'd like to hit the abort button (even if it's the first day of indoc) if I don't get one of the bases that I want.
I'm hoping they give you the airline and base with the employment offer....but that's probably just wishful thinking. I draw the line at I don't want to deal with a crashpad/commuting with a regional gig. |
Well that's a great attitude to go in with..
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Good luck explaining to another carrier why you quit the first day of class at another regional.
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There's nothing wrong with my attitude and you can't quit a job that you never had in the first place. As far as I'm concerned, you're not employed until you finish the paperwork with HR....usually done on the first day.
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I don't believe there is anything wrong with your attitude or concerns. Should you get an interview, that would be the appropriate time to get an accurate answer to your question.
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Originally Posted by Emma Goldman
(Post 1158538)
There's nothing wrong with my attitude and you can't quit a job that you never had in the first place. As far as I'm concerned, you're not employed until you finish the paperwork with HR....usually done on the first day.
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Are there any 135 operators near where you live? I am not trying to be an ahole, but it sounds like a champagne expectation and the regionals only offer you a beer. :). It is just too hard to call the shots day one in my opinion.
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Originally Posted by block30
(Post 1158544)
Are there any 135 operators near where you live? I am not trying to be an ahole, but it sounds like a champagne expectation and the regionals only offer you a beer. :). It is just too hard to call the shots day one in my opinion.
And no, you're not coming across that way and I hope I'm not coming across as pompous or entitled. I guess I am taking the perspective of not so much raised expectations and calling the shots, but more like if they are not for me, then I am not for them and I would just decline. No skin of my back and no skin off theirs. BTW; I'd take beer (even swill) over the finest Champagne any day!;) |
hmmm...positives..let see:
no junior manning. thats about i can think of.. |
What base are you looking for? There has been a decent amount of movement lately so depending on what you are looking for you might get it right away or after a few months. One of the biggest reasons I came here is for the base but I have been very lucky over the past 4 years and my base hasn't closed. I'm pretty sure every other person I was hired with has been displaced at least once and a good amount multiple times. Going by those numbers there is about a 90% chance you will eventually be displaced to another base.
You should know what certificate you'll be on before you accept the job but you might not get your base until close to the end of your training. I don't think we found out until we were almost done with sim training. The biggest thing to keep in mind if you come here (probably the same with most regionals) is that you are just a number and your QOL means nothing to the company. If they need you somewhere they are going to put you there it doesn't matter how much it might disrupt your life. |
- No junior manning
- No hot reserve |
Originally Posted by flysooner9
(Post 1158513)
It's the same story for any regional. They all suck. Go to the one that you can potentially live in base.
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Originally Posted by Niner
(Post 1158563)
What base are you looking for? There has been a decent amount of movement lately so depending on what you are looking for you might get it right away or after a few months. One of the biggest reasons I came here is for the base but I have been very lucky over the past 4 years and my base hasn't closed. I'm pretty sure every other person I was hired with has been displaced at least once and a good amount multiple times. Going by those numbers there is about a 90% chance you will eventually be displaced to another base.
Originally Posted by Niner
(Post 1158563)
You should know what certificate you'll be on before you accept the job but you might not get your base until close to the end of your training. I don't think we found out until we were almost done with sim training. The biggest thing to keep in mind if you come here (probably the same with most regionals) is that you are just a number and your QOL means nothing to the company. If they need you somewhere they are going to put you there it doesn't matter how much it might disrupt your life.
Thank you anyway for the info. |
Originally Posted by sticky
(Post 1158554)
hmmm...positives..let see:
no junior manning. thats about i can think of.. Scheduler Bob: First Officer Soandsoski? This is Bob from scheduling. FO Soandsoski: *sound of beer being opened* Hi Bob, how are you today? Scheduler Bob: I'm well, thanks for asking. Unfortunately, I am calling to junior man you. You report in 2 hours for a stand-up overnight to BFE with our most annoying captain and the ugliest, whiniest flight attendant at the company. FO Soandsoski: *sound of drinking beer* Well Bob, unfortunately I am sitting on my patio enjoying this splendid afternoon and I am already two beers deep and working on number three. If you want to delay the flight for 8/12 hours, I would be more than happy to help you then. Schedular Bob: Oh uh... We can't do that... Thanks anyway. *click* Of course you can avoid that conversation in the first place by not answering your phone if you don't have to and scheduling calls! But you're right, major win on THAT clause!:rolleyes: To the OP, I admire your willingness to flip them the bird if things don't fit your circumstances. I just wish more people were willing to do the same rather than bend over and take it for $19/hr. My only word of caution would be the training contract at RAH (one of the few left in the industry). If you do decide to start training and get most of the way through (I think one guy said they didn't learn their bases until almost done with sims?) then quit, you may get left holding the bag. I would make sure you know every detail about that training contract before you set foot in their training facility. What say you current RAH guys? |
When I signed the training contract 5 years ago, still FO, it didn't apply until after completion of IOE. So, the few that either left or washed out of training owed nothing.
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Originally Posted by Emma Goldman
(Post 1158524)
I'm hoping they give you the airline and base with the employment offer....but that's probably just wishful thinking. I draw the line at I don't want to deal with a crashpad/commuting with a regional gig. |
Originally Posted by freezingflyboy
(Post 1158586)
EVERY airline I know of has a "No Junior Manning" clause, you just have to know where to look. Don't believe me? Looking under your company's alcohol policy is a good place to start! ;)
Scheduler Bob: First Officer Soandsoski? This is Bob from scheduling. FO Soandsoski: *sound of beer being opened* Hi Bob, how are you today? Scheduler Bob: I'm well, thanks for asking. Unfortunately, I am calling to junior man you. You report in 2 hours for a stand-up overnight to BFE with our most annoying captain and the ugliest, whiniest flight attendant at the company. FO Soandsoski: *sound of drinking beer* Well Bob, unfortunately I am sitting on my patio enjoying this splendid afternoon and I am already two beers deep and working on number three. If you want to delay the flight for 8/12 hours, I would be more than happy to help you then. Schedular Bob: Oh uh... We can't do that... Thanks anyway. *click* Of course you can avoid that conversation in the first place by not answering your phone if you don't have to and scheduling calls! But you're right, major win on THAT clause!:rolleyes: To the OP, I admire your willingness to flip them the bird if things don't fit your circumstances. I just wish more people were willing to do the same rather than bend over and take it for $19/hr. My only word of caution would be the training contract at RAH (one of the few left in the industry). If you do decide to start training and get most of the way through (I think one guy said they didn't learn their bases until almost done with sims?) then quit, you may get left holding the bag. I would make sure you know every detail about that training contract before you set foot in their training facility. What say you current RAH guys? |
Originally Posted by sticky
(Post 1158554)
hmmm...positives..let see:
no junior manning. thats about i can think of.. Scheduler Bob: First Officer Soandsoski? This is Bob from scheduling. FO Soandsoski: *sound of beer being opened* Hi Bob, how are you today? Scheduler Bob: I'm well, thanks for asking. Unfortunately, I am calling to junior man you. You report in 2 hours for a stand-up overnight to BFE with our most annoying captain and the ugliest, whiniest flight attendant at the company. FO Soandsoski: *sound of drinking beer* Well Bob, unfortunately I am sitting on my patio enjoying this splendid afternoon and I am already two beers deep and working on number three. If you want to delay the flight for 8/12 hours, I would be more than happy to help you then. Schedular Bob: Oh uh... We can't do that... Thanks anyway. *click* Of course you can avoid that conversation in the first place by not answering your phone if you don't have to and scheduling calls! But you're right, major win on THAT clause!:rolleyes: To the OP, I admire your willingness to flip them the bird if things don't fit your circumstances. I just wish more people were willing to do the same rather than bend over and take it for $19/hr. My only word of caution would be the training contract at RAH (one of the few left in the industry). If you do decide to start training and get most of the way through (I think one guy said they didn't learn their bases until almost done with sims?) then quit, you may get left holding the bag. I would make sure you know every detail about that training contract before you set foot in their training facility. What say you current RAH guys? |
Originally Posted by gearmaid
(Post 1158600)
How about when they ACARS you enroute on your last leg, or put it on the release, or place schedulers at each hub to meet you at the plane. Mesa peeps know what I'm talking about!
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Originally Posted by spank
(Post 1158598)
NOT great advice...next thing you know you're pulled from the line without pay and given the ultimatum of alcohol counseling or termination. If you aren't on duty, don't answer the phone.
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Originally Posted by flysooner9
(Post 1158530)
Well that's a great attitude to go in with..
Good for you Emma, I'd probably do the same thing. Commuting sucks. I'm based at home right now, on reserve. I could hold a line at another base if I commuted, but I'd never do it. No amount of line-holder work rules can make up for the commute. My QOL is 10x better when I'm based at home. |
Originally Posted by gearmaid
(Post 1158600)
How about when they ACARS you enroute on your last leg, or put it on the release, or place schedulers at each hub to meet you at the plane. Mesa peeps know what I'm talking about!
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"Choosing to commute" haha I was in 8 different bases over 3 years. I had no choice to commute. If you go to Republic, you will have to either commute sometime, or quit. Bases open and close at a whim. I am lucky and have been in the same base for the last year now, but......
RAHcontractnow.org says it all right now. Who knows what the future brings, but as it stands |
Originally Posted by spank
(Post 1158598)
NOT great advice...next thing you know you're pulled from the line without pay and given the ultimatum of alcohol counseling or termination. If you aren't on duty, don't answer the phone.
Besides, to determine if one needs counseling requires more than that, like DUI's, showing up for duty while under the influence, volunteering yourself etc.. I do agree that not answering is the simplest way to avoid JA, but answering with the beer thing would be more fun!:D |
Originally Posted by freezingflyboy
(Post 1158586)
EVERY airline I know of has a "No Junior Manning" clause, you just have to know where to look. Don't believe me? Looking under your company's alcohol policy is a good place to start! ;)
Scheduler Bob: First Officer Soandsoski? This is Bob from scheduling. FO Soandsoski: *sound of beer being opened* Hi Bob, how are you today? Scheduler Bob: I'm well, thanks for asking. Unfortunately, I am calling to junior man you. You report in 2 hours for a stand-up overnight to BFE with our most annoying captain and the ugliest, whiniest flight attendant at the company. FO Soandsoski: *sound of drinking beer* Well Bob, unfortunately I am sitting on my patio enjoying this splendid afternoon and I am already two beers deep and working on number three. If you want to delay the flight for 8/12 hours, I would be more than happy to help you then. Schedular Bob: Oh uh... We can't do that... Thanks anyway. *click* Of course you can avoid that conversation in the first place by not answering your phone if you don't have to and scheduling calls! But you're right, major win on THAT clause!:rolleyes: To the OP, I admire your willingness to flip them the bird if things don't fit your circumstances. I just wish more people were willing to do the same rather than bend over and take it for $19/hr. My only word of caution would be the training contract at RAH (one of the few left in the industry). If you do decide to start training and get most of the way through (I think one guy said they didn't learn their bases until almost done with sims?) then quit, you may get left holding the bag. I would make sure you know every detail about that training contract before you set foot in their training facility. What say you current RAH guys? Nice job! |
All I'm saying is good luck in this career If you never want to cOmmute.
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Originally Posted by freezingflyboy
(Post 1158605)
They can place schedulers at hubs if they want to, that's a fun cat and mouse game.
I actually heard about some Mesa guys that did this. |
Originally Posted by freezingflyboy
(Post 1158605)
They can place schedulers at hubs if they want to, that's a fun cat and mouse game.
I actually heard about some Mesa guys that did this. |
Originally Posted by Big Duke 6
(Post 1158619)
"Choosing to commute" haha I was in 8 different bases over 3 years. I had no choice to commute. If you go to Republic, you will have to either commute sometime, or quit. Bases open and close at a whim. I am lucky and have been in the same base for the last year now, but......
RAHcontractnow.org says it all right now. Who knows what the future brings, but as it stands |
Originally Posted by freezingflyboy
(Post 1158610)
NOT factually accurate. The only way they can pull you from the line and 'force' you to go to counseling is if they have reasonable suspicion. There is not a court in the land that would uphold "having a couple of beers on your day off on a nice afternoon" as reasonable suspicion of an alcohol problem. If they want to go down that road, they better lawyer up. If they try it, they are counting on you not being able to afford the lawsuit or being too chicken sh!t to fight it. Just be sure to keep track of legal expenses and lost pay during so you can include that in the settlement!
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you could prolly get sdf quick. ind on chq is probably one of the next to go.
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You're beyond naive... Lets hope in the future none of us are worried about junior mans because they'll be a distant nightmare. Simply giving sound advice to inexperienced, probably probationary pilots who could potentially put themselves in a career ending/altering scenario by being a smartass to scheduling.
Freezing, Esq., feel free to use the "I'm drinking" defense next time you're in the mood to pick up a company call on your day off. Then put your money where your mouth is while our all powerful unions go to bat for a regional FO in court trying to disprove the company's suspicion of your alcohol issues. All the while being on unpaid leave...smell the roses, it has happened and will undoubtedly happen again if we keep telling guys to, "just say you're drinking". Don't pick up the phone. If you do tell them you're in Alaska visiting your fourth cousin once removed, Spank. |
Originally Posted by spank
(Post 1158598)
NOT great advice...next thing you know you're pulled from the line without pay and given the ultimatum of alcohol counseling or termination. If you aren't on duty, don't answer the phone.
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Originally Posted by spank
(Post 1158683)
You're beyond naive... Lets hope in the future none of us are worried about junior mans because they'll be a distant nightmare. Simply giving sound advice to inexperienced, probably probationary pilots who could potentially put themselves in a career ending/altering scenario by being a smartass to scheduling.
Freezing, Esq., feel free to use the "I'm drinking" defense next time you're in the mood to pick up a company call on your day off. Then put your money where your mouth is while our all powerful unions go to bat for a regional FO in court trying to disprove the company's suspicion of your alcohol issues. All the while being on unpaid leave...smell the roses, it has happened and will undoubtedly happen again if we keep telling guys to, "just say you're drinking". Don't pick up the phone. If you do tell them you're in Alaska visiting your fourth cousin once removed, Spank. But at this point, I feel like we have exceeded the scope of OP's question. How to avoid getting junior manned could be a whole thread in and of itself, possibly to rival the Comair threads! RAH sucks; them's the facts Emma.:cool: |
Originally Posted by Emma Goldman
(Post 1158509)
The Republic carriers have some bases that would work for me. (I know, they can change at the drop of a hat). Anyway, with the recent slamfest (justified as it may be) is there anything redeeming about Republic? Is there any part of working there that would be preferable to another regional?
Thanks, Emma 2. Hats AND Blazers!! 3. Explaining to your commuting crew that you're, in fact, MAINLINE!!! 4. Free cool "Airline Pilot" radio-voice!!! Just poking fun on here guys/gals...
Originally Posted by gearmaid
(Post 1158600)
How about when they ACARS you enroute on your last leg, or put it on the release, or place schedulers at each hub to meet you at the plane. Mesa peeps know what I'm talking about!
Originally Posted by Radials Rule
(Post 1158628)
That's easy. When you turn off the seat belt sign, change into your street clothes in the cockpit, secure checklist and walk out with the last of the passengers.:D
I actually heard about some Mesa guys that did this. Emma- Chase QOL: base/rules/pay, nothing else matters IMHO. Best of luck finding it. |
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