50 new united E170's to republic
 

Confirmed today 50 new E170s to RAH.

50 new united E170's to republic
 

Today, we announced agreements with United Airlines and Embraer that will transform our business model and extend Republic’s leadership position as the preferred and largest operator of E-Jet aircraft.

The agreement with United adds 50 new E175 aircraft with deliveries beginning in 2015; extends United’s current flying of 38 E170 aircraft through 2022; and initiates the wind-down of United’s Q400 operation, beginning in January 2015 and completing in September 2016.

Those Q400s can't catch a break. Maybe porter or Horizon will give them a few pennies on the dollar.

dang and envoy dies operating an obsolete fleet of ERJ's 145.

Most are going to FlyBe. It's nice to know that the future pilots of those aircraft will actually be making a good salary.

It was in there:

Embraer noted that the transaction is in connection with the transfer of Q400 turboprop airplanes currently operated by Republic Airlines to UK carrier Flybe Limited.

I was thinking the same thing. Like foster children.

Is this growth or just replacements for the 145s and Q?

50 new united E170's to republic
 

About a 20 airplane growth there are about 30 q400s

And the piloting profession takes another blow. Disgusting.

I think the worst part of all this is RAH continues to grow at the expense of its professional pilots.

Considering they also announced the wind down of the Q400 flying, it appears to be replacement flying. I doubt the regional industry is going to see overall growth in the immediate future. It seems the legacies are concentrating on re-fleeting the regionals with fewer, larger aircraft.

The public announcement states 50 E175s will replace 28 Q400s currently flying for United resulting in a net gain of 22 planes. The remaining 41 E145s only fly for Delta.

Does anyone know if the Q400 counted against the scope for 70+ seat aircraft at United?

Yes, it does.

Keeping whipsaw alive.
 

Now they can recruit...the majors need a certain number of regionals kept alive for the whipsaw to stay alive.

I guess voting NO hasn't hurt them too badly. Refleeting happening anyway.

So United is done with the Q400's? Or is some other regional going to bring it on board and fly it under the United Express brand?

2015 to 2022 while the Q goes away in 2015 to 2016 bet its a 1 for 1 for quite awhile.

It's a two year time frame for delivery and replacement according to BB's letter. The Q's will be wound down at a slower rate to maintain service to Aspen and a few other cities.

How are they going to staff this?

50 new united E170's to republic
 

Good question

The same way they staffed every other airplane they have.

The parking of all the 145s and Q400s will help.

Why does everyone ask this? Many pilots think they're at the top of the totem pole and are the catalyst that makes this industry run.

We aren't. We are labor. Management is in control. Airline A doesn't want to play ball (Envoy), Airline B and C do (PSA, Piedmont), they get the flying. Big new shiny jets get announced, a flood of applicants ensue. New and old pilots follow the planes. Pretty simple. As current regional pilots go to mainline, mainline awards bigger jets to regionals as they park the less efficient 50 seaters (number of planes a net loss at the regionals). That's how they're controlling pilot supply.

I'm surprised they can staff it. Every republic guy I know says they are having trouble hiring but I guess they're not having too much trouble.

Well, based on the AA 175s and the beginning of the Q program, BB has the attitude of "bid now, staff later"

Hopefully people there on the Q don't get completely screwed with the new bases (whatever they turn out to be)

Is United getting out of the Q400 game or are they going to shuffle them to yet another regional?

Does anyone know where they will base these new 175s? Den maybe?

24 republic Q's are being leased to Flybe

Just to clarify, the original post seemed to imply United was giving RAH 175's. RAH is in fact buying them from Embraer themselves.

50 new united E170's to republic
 

True thanks for clarifying deltajuliet.

with the united contract as collateral and the q's to be leased to flybe that is the deal with embraer.

Correct me if I'm wrong but overall this is a net loss across the board. Parking 70 145/140's, parking 10 190's and 30 Q400's. Loss of 110 aircraft and gain of 97 recently (47 for AA and 50 UA) = net loss of 12 aircraft but gain of seat/miles.

I'm new to the numbers game, but wouldn't the current upgrade times stay about the same? RAH is phasing out the 24 Qs and the ~70 E145s while adding the announced 50 E170s and 40 C series. Doesn't that just cancel themselves out? No real growth, but also no losses.

The 28 Q's (didn't take delivery of the full 32) replaced the 32 145's that were parked. There are still 5 190's flying for Caesar's charter. 47 175's were added for AA out of ORD and MIA and I believe only 32 received so far. These 50 new 175's are replacing the 28 Q's. So its a net gain of 60 a/c from 2012 to 2017 not including the options for the additional 47 for the AA contract. Rumors of replacement flying for the remaining 38 145's when their contract is up as well. There are talks of all United flying going to the YX cert to make S5 an all Delta cert.

New equipment (I'll call it replacement) that didn't require concessions... huh, so that's how it works.

Pretty much. A little net growth. Upgrades will depend mostly on attrition. Upgrade times will decrease because there was little hiring for a few years after 2008 I think.

They already have one of the worst contracts in the industry, and it is still worse than PSA and PDT so yes that is how it works.

At least they aren't tied into their crap contract for another 10 years.