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SWA “rolled” off the runway in OMA
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Again?? What are the chances?
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Perhaps they'll become known like Delta, not for a windcheck, but for an EMAS check.
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But, but,but......there’s no problem with rushing at SWA. We swear! :rolleyes:
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If any airline had 1/4 of the incidents that SWA has because of their culture they would have the FAA break up their airline from the inside out.
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Any shortcuts out there?
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And.......another one
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Headline says “slid off runway”. Text says “slid on to a runway overrun while taxiing to terminal”. Which was it?
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"slid onto a runway overrun area after landing and while taxiing to the terminal"
Was it an overrun or a taxi issue? |
The photo in the USA Today article appears to have approach lights under the left wing.
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Originally Posted by qball
(Post 2745782)
Headline says “slid off runway”. Text says “slid on to a runway overrun while taxiing to terminal”. Which was it?
The flaps are fully retracted in the photo. Based on that, I say the After Landing checklist was aready completed (or being completed) and they were taxing. Maybe slid while turning??? If they were landing Southeast, it’s possible to cross the end of multiple runways taxing to the gate... |
Witnesses reported s turns on the runway after hitting black ice.
Originally Posted by Skyward
(Post 2745857)
If the media doesn’t know, they’ll just make it up.
The flaps are fully retracted in the photo. Based on that, I say the After Landing checklist was aready completed (or being completed) and they were taxing. Maybe slid while turning??? If they were landing Southeast, it’s possible to cross the end of multiple runways taxing to the gate... |
Most journalists couldn't tell the difference between a taxiway and a runway. Once one person reports it, the rest just parrot what was said. Sure looks like an incident during taxi.
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Originally Posted by Rama
(Post 2745886)
Most journalists couldn't tell the difference between a taxiway and a runway. Once one person reports it, the rest just parrot what was said. Sure looks like an incident during taxi.
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Originally Posted by Skyward
(Post 2745857)
If the media doesn’t know, they’ll just make it up.
The flaps are fully retracted in the photo. Based on that, I say the After Landing checklist was aready completed (or being completed) and they were taxing. Maybe slid while turning??? If they were landing Southeast, it’s possible to cross the end of multiple runways taxing to the gate... Incident: Southwest B738 at Omaha on Jan 18th 2019, overran runway on landing |
Originally Posted by Baradium
(Post 2745956)
Unless they retract the flaps during landing roll out... they retracted them afterwards.
Incident: Southwest B738 at Omaha on Jan 18th 2019, overran runway on landing Flaps are not retracted until clearing the runway. |
Originally Posted by Setopbug
(Post 2745629)
Perhaps they'll become known like Delta, not for a windcheck, but for an EMAS check.
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Originally Posted by Al Czervik
(Post 2745946)
Dude, it’s called a tarmac.
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I once landed at Goose Bay for a fuel stop in January. After exiting the runway, taxiing became nearly impossible because of ice.
Once parked, we watched as a Falcon 900 crawled past us and sailed down the ramp with wheels locked up. They went at least 100 yards, luckily straight ahead and in the clear. Local news reports in OMA reported many roads were iced over... |
Originally Posted by Smooth at FL450
(Post 2746001)
Flaps are not retracted until clearing the runway.
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https://www.reviewjournal.com/local/local-las-vegas/delta-plane-from-las-vegas-slides-off-cincinnati-runway-1572820/
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Originally Posted by DENpilot
(Post 2746029)
FAA is officially renaming EMAS to SWAMAS.
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For you 737 guys. Seems like often as not when a plane goes off it’s a 737. Is it hard to handle in slippery conditions? Or is it just the odds because of the sheer number of 73 operations.
3 in the past week. DAL, SWA, UAL...all were 737. |
I find it hard to have sympathy for SWA. Every time I see something like this, I think “they were cowboying it up.”
Maybe that’s not fair..... But after all the times I’ve seen them taxiing around at 60 knots and doing crazy ass stuff to make an approach work out....... It’s what I think. This line of work has no place for fools. That silly ass cowboy stuff needs to stop-like at least a couple decades ago. I’m sorry, but I just can’t overlook or excuse that kind of crap. Accidents happen. But accidents aren’t really accidents for those who tempt fate so often. And once you’ve done this work long enough, you come to realize how little of it really comes down to “luck.” |
Originally Posted by Opakapaka
(Post 2746355)
You’re an idiot lonely boy
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Originally Posted by jcountry
(Post 2746399)
I find it hard to have sympathy for SWA. Every time I see something like this, I think “they were cowboying it up.”
Maybe that’s not fair..... But after all the times I’ve seen them taxiing around at 60 knots and doing crazy ass stuff to make an approach work out....... It’s what I think. This line of work has no place for fools. That silly ass cowboy stuff needs to stop-like at least a couple decades ago. I’m sorry, but I just can’t overlook or excuse that kind of crap. Accidents happen. But accidents aren’t really accidents for those who tempt fate so often. And once you’ve done this work long enough, you come to realize how little of it really comes down to “luck.” |
Originally Posted by WHACKMASTER
(Post 2746419)
Nope. You’re pretty much spot on.
Let the hate flow though. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CmiHRxDUkAE85HP.jpg |
Originally Posted by WHACKMASTER
(Post 2746419)
Nope. You’re pretty much spot on.
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Originally Posted by Skyward
(Post 2746433)
As a SWA FO, I disagree. I don’t ever fly with any of the cowboys you guys like to talk about.
Ah dang forgot to go bash Delta. |
Originally Posted by Skyward
(Post 2746433)
As a SWA FO, I disagree. I don’t ever fly with any of the cowboys you guys like to talk about.
I also can't remember how many people Value Jet killed by cowboying it up compared to SW. Oh, that's right about 100 times more people from an operator that was about 1/20th the size SW is now. |
Originally Posted by rickair7777
(Post 2745783)
"slid onto a runway overrun area after landing and while taxiing to the terminal"
Was it an overrun or a taxi issue? |
Originally Posted by Bluesideup1
(Post 2746447)
Don't worry it is just whack. He is still sad that Value Jet is gone and was adsorbed by the dark side. Never mind that two other carriers did the same thing it is all about SW and being a cowboy even though that hasn't been the case in over 10 years.
I also can't remember how many people Value Jet killed by cowboying it up compared to SW. Oh, that's right about 100 times more people from an operator that was about 1/20th the size SW is now. |
Originally Posted by Skyward
(Post 2746433)
As a SWA FO, I disagree. I don’t ever fly with any of the cowboys you guys like to talk about.
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Anybody denying that SWA doesn’t have a problem with running off taxiways and runways has their head in the sand. Let’s not even talk about all the ground equipment to aircraft contact that happens all the time. Oh, then there was that light pole on the Denver ramp that lost the battle with a 737 wingtip.
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Originally Posted by WHACKMASTER
(Post 2746549)
Anybody denying that SWA doesn’t have a problem with running off taxiways and runways has their head in the sand.
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Originally Posted by jcountry
(Post 2746399)
I find it hard to have sympathy for SWA. Every time I see something like this, I think “they were cowboying it up.”
Maybe that’s not fair..... But after all the times I’ve seen them taxiing around at 60 knots and doing crazy ass stuff to make an approach work out....... It’s what I think. This line of work has no place for fools. That silly ass cowboy stuff needs to stop-like at least a couple decades ago. I’m sorry, but I just can’t overlook or excuse that kind of crap. Accidents happen. But accidents aren’t really accidents for those who tempt fate so often. And once you’ve done this work long enough, you come to realize how little of it really comes down to “luck.” Are you a controller? How do you know swa is doing “crazy stuff” to make approaches work out? |
Originally Posted by OOfff
(Post 2746552)
Where are the comparative stats on paved surface excursions by airline? Post ‘em up.
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Originally Posted by WHACKMASTER
(Post 2746556)
Now you’re just embarrassing yourself. Seriously?!
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Originally Posted by OOfff
(Post 2746558)
You made the claim. Support it.
Either you’re dense or a troll. |
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