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04-15-2019 | 01:04 PM

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I’m wondering if a pilot in the back or even a pax saw sparks or the damage and got word to the crew. I wouldn’t think they would get above 10k, accelerate and climb to FL200 if they even suspected they drug a wing or had structural damage.

04-15-2019 | 03:25 PM

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Maybe. If all was working OK, might be inclined to execute the plan and get out of the terminal area before having an in-depth discussion about what might or might not have happened. I've done two immediate RTFs right after gear-up but in both cases had unambiguous (to say the least) indications of trouble. Without the wingtip impact master caution illuminated, they probably had to talk about what they felt.

04-16-2019 | 03:30 AM

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is the wingtip visible from the cockpit if you crank your head around? It is on the 737 at least. The CA should have been able to see the damage... maybe he finally turned around and looked.

04-16-2019 | 05:06 AM

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is the wingtip visible from the cockpit if you crank your head around? It is on the 737 at least. The CA should have been able to see the damage... maybe he finally turned around and looked.

It is right on the edge, you can tell it's there but hard to make anything out (321). It's a little better in the 320 and you can definitely see it in the 319.

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04-16-2019 | 05:55 AM

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It’s difficult to see the wingtip of a 321 from the flight deck.

04-16-2019 | 09:50 AM

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I don’t follow your logic. If a crew needed to discuss the potential ramifications of a t/o incident, whether it happened or not, concerns, what they may have felt, even go back and look, etc. wouldn’t they do that in a controlled manner? Get outside the terminal area? Sure, why not. Climb above 10k, accelerate, continue to FL200? I doubt it.
If someone thinks they’ve potentially damaged their aircraft, staying in a land-able configuration, speed as appropriate seems like a better option than a high speed climb to pressurized flight levels.

04-16-2019 | 09:54 AM

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I'd almost guess the didn't realize they actually hit something until a pax saw it, called an FA, and then the FA called up to the front.

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04-16-2019 | 06:05 PM

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I'd almost guess the didn't realize they actually hit something until a pax saw it, called an FA, and then the FA called up to the front.

I agree. That was my point. If they knew or even suspected, I doubt they would have climbed the way they did. Tough to diagnose that at night on a takeoff with all the ambient noise, bumps on the runway, etc.

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04-16-2019 | 06:40 PM

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I agree. That was my point. If they knew or even sususpected, I doubt they would have climbed the way they did. Tough to diagnose that at night on a takeoff with all the ambient noise, bumps on the runway, etc.

Gotcha. Yeah makes a lot of sense. I had a friend drag a wingtip in a different plane and he don't know until they landed.

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