Hope the crew members and passengers are ok
 

https://www.wabi.tv/content/news/Presque-Isle-International-Airport-506661611.html

C5 E145 flying as UA4933 off the runway in Presque Isle, ME

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Landing gear, meet Engine

I wonder if that will be reported as FOD ingestion to the engine lease company.

"The aircraft is damaged and will remain on the runway until the FAA investigates."

I think the problem is that it did NOT remain on the runway...

Looks like a survivable incident. Hope everyone is ok.

Got a few hours in that a/c when it was new over at xjt. Hope to see her flying again soon.

That’ll buff right out

Did the pictures not load for you?

According to pax (I’m paraphrasing), the first approach was discontinued at some point followed by a second approach and ‘hard’ landing with multiple bounces, finally coming to rest well off the rwy.

3/4sm -SN ,1500’ ovc; RCAMs 3/3/3 from what I’ve read. Should have had an ILS available to them from what I can tell.

Nope they loaded just fine. You'd be amazed at what they can get flying again.

Oh I agree this could be repaired, but this is a 15 year old 145. Replacement of all 3 landing gear, fwd pressure bulkhead, est 5-7 foot gash, belly damage, flaps, possible wing spar damage.

If United really wanted a replacement 50 seater, there is a desert full of them.

Most value in 50 seaters are in the engines, and at least nr1 is toast on this one.

Correction it is a 145 XR. Not very many of those around and UAL is flying all of them, around 90 total. UAL wants to keep all the XRs flying.

I think ils is/was notam'd ots

The ILS gets notamed OTS after an accident/incident until it can be checked by the feds

Ready to at last meet beer can destiny...

Bounces are an indication of excess energy. Looking at where the nose gear ended up, probably tried to force it on.

This is the best reason to look for a regional with a flowthrough agreement.

That’s a main wheel bogey up in tha motor. And a flow-through does what?

Thanks. I did not look closely and wrongly assumed a nose gear.
Still... not where it’s supposed to be.

Well....As long as they keep their jobs they still have a chance of making it to the majors via a flow. Otherwise this “ding” will make it very difficult to go anywhere.

Except that they work for CommutAir, and they have no flow.

Don’t prejudge the mishap board but if one or both are assigned blame, I doubt that a flow agreement would save them. Everything, AA flow, United CPP, Delta DGI, or anyone’s pinky promise, all of them are written in smoke if the major really decides they don’t want THAT applicant.

Here we go again

Actually. That’s exactly what the flow does...it flows. No smoke and mirrors. As far as blame...none given.

There are always ways to force out an undesirable candidate while they’re on probation.

Aren’t you getting more from Xjet?

From the United 2018 Annual Report, which was put out on Feb 22nd, 2019.

Total 145s (XR, LR, ER)

Total Under CPA: 176
Owned by UAL: 82
Leased by UAL: 90
Owned or Leased by Regional Carrier: 4

Expressjet: 105
TransStates: 40
Commutair: 31

"In addition to the aircraft presented in the tables above, United owned the following aircraft listed below as of December 31, 2018: Three Embraer ERJ 145s, which are temporarily grounded."

"During the third quarter of 2018, United entered into an agreement with the lessor of 54 Embraer ERJ 145 aircraft to purchase those aircraft in 2019. The provisions of such agreement resulted in a change in accounting classification of the applicable leases from operating leases to capital leases up until the applicable purchase date"

Tail numbers for the Continental Airlines XR production ran from 101 to 204. That's 103 of them.

And United does not have all the XR's that were made.

https://www.planespotters.net/photo/...eId=xwkOhg75AQ
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https://www.planespotters.net/airlin...uttle-Aircraft

I would argue that a better strategy to get to the majors would be to carefully run performance numbers, and land in the zone out of stabilized approaches.

As opposed to wrecking planes, hoping you don't get fired, and that the flow will somehow maybe still work.

Flow works for a GED, a checkride bust, and maybe a DUI. Doubt it would work for this, even if they had it. Good news is the truck driving schools are also paying bonuses right now.

There are only certain provision in the flow for new hire pilots. This would not be one.

I’m just saying it’s a good insurance policy to have. Everyone here could find themselves in a similar situation. No one wants to check that box on an application. The computer system might even toss out Sullys app.

They’ll have a flow when PDT, PSA or Envoy hire them tomorrow. :rolleyes:

Again, there will be a full investigation. I have no idea what the result of that will be. I hope it totally exonerates the crew. But if it assesses fault to one or both pilots, it is naive IN THE EXTREME to believe that flow would save their careers, even at their current level, far less at the level they might wish to flow to.

You certainly are entitled to your opinion, but it is one I do not share. Everything is volatile in this business. Even long promised pensions can disappear in a bankruptcy. Just ask the Delta pilots.

Absolutely, which doesn’t mean that flow would/will save you if you screw up, which I’m still hoping these pilots did not do. But let’s wait for the mishap board results and not preemptively say that if only Commutair had flow these guys would be fine. These guys might be fine regardless if the mishap investigation doesn’t fault them or totally screwed regardless if it does. Let’s not prejudge the investigation.

"I successfully ditched an aircraft on a river after we lost both engines on climb out" vs. "we lost an engine when I put the landing gear in it."

Huh.

"Have you ever been involved in an accident or incident or the subject of an investigation?"

The fear is that by answering "yes" to this question the computer scores you lower, or perhaps even disqualifies you automatically regardless of the details.

If a company has thousands of applications with 90% of them being incident/accident free, why waste time on those that have accidents or incidents?


Think about it from a HR perspective.

The HR perspective...

Sully calls. You don't care what the computer says. You hire him.

Throwing out a Sully comparison here is stretching it.

Sounds like they totally missed the runway??

https://thecounty.me/2019/03/04/news...-presque-isle/

Not good...

The last photo states it landed off the runway. That’s a crash

Barring a miracle, it will be a hull loss....

The weather wasn’t *that* bad. It looks less like an over-run and more like a wreck imo.