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As per Mr.Boeing's FCTM...
I haven't been with a US Carrier that trained Bounced Landing Recovery. Bounced Landing Recovery If the airplane should bounce, hold or re-establish a normal landing attitude and add thrust as necessary to control the rate of descent. Thrust need not be added for a shallow bounce or skip. When a high, hard bounce occurs, initiate a go-around. Apply go-around thrust and use normal go-around procedures. Do not retract the landing gear until a positive rate of climb is established because a second touchdown may occur during the go-around. |
Originally Posted by captjns
(Post 3772559)
As per Mr.Boeing's FCTM...
I haven't been with a US Carrier that trained Bounced Landing Recovery. |
Originally Posted by biigD
(Post 3772560)
We do it at AA.
Why do the KSNA 'nonsense'? Divert fields can be very short. Barrow, Alaska is 6500' after the displaced threshold. 7100' of pavement. Guess where you're often going, even in the winter, if you're doing Polar Ops with an emergency? |
Originally Posted by biigD
(Post 3772560)
We do it at AA.
If the bounce lasts long enough that you have time to consider a GA, just do the GA. |
Originally Posted by captjns
(Post 3772559)
As per Mr.Boeing's FCTM...
I haven't been with a US Carrier that trained Bounced Landing Recovery. |
Originally Posted by biigD
(Post 3772560)
We do it at AA.
Isolated though, bounced landings resulting in failed recoveries result in high "G" and or tail strikes. Training needs to emphasis the importance to recovery from bounced landings can be futile at best |
Originally Posted by cougar
(Post 3772666)
Bounced Landing training is required every 36 months per FAR 121.423 as part of Extended Envelop Training.
§ 121.423 Pilots: Extended Envelope Training. Added I/A/W 67800 Federal Register/Vol. 78, No. 218/Tuesday, November 12, 2013 - Rules and Regulations b) Extended envelope training must include the following maneuvers and procedures: (5) Recovery from bounced landing. Compliance for this CFR was no later than March 2019. |
Originally Posted by Sliceback
(Post 3772604)
Why do the KSNA 'nonsense'? Divert fields can be very short. Barrow, Alaska is 6500' after the displaced threshold. 7100' of pavement. Guess where you're often going, even in the winter, if you're doing Polar Ops with an emergency? |
Originally Posted by captjns
(Post 3772880)
Isolated though, bounced landings resulting in failed recoveries result in high "G" and or tail strikes. Training needs to emphasis the importance to recovery from bounced landings can be futile at best
I flew for an organization in a combat area that experienced an apallingly high number of damaged aircraft due to mishandled landings. Every instance was a military aviator, operating an aircraft outside his experience, and nearly every case was a bounce followed by a nosegear strike that progressed from bad to severe in one or two oscillations. Conversations with several of those yielded the same, predictable attitudes; they didn't take the airplane seriously. "It's just a ---," they each said. "No big deal." Then they each destroyed an aircraft. There is absolutely NO reason a bounced landing should result in aircraft damage if one flies out of it, or in a minor case, allows the airplane to touch down again without excess flare. A salvage attempt is what leads pilots into trouble. Training does emphasize the importance of recovery. Poor responses contrary to training negate that value when pilots don't do what they've been trained to do. A single bounce and a recovery should be all it takes, because a bounce should never be allowed to progress beyond that. |
Originally Posted by JohnBurke
(Post 3773013)
There is absolutely NO reason a bounced landing should result in aircraft damage if one flies out of it, or in a minor case, allows the airplane to touch down again without excess flare. A salvage attempt is what leads pilots into trouble. Training does emphasize the importance of recovery. Poor responses contrary to training negate that value when pilots don't do what they've been trained to do. A single bounce and a recovery should be all it takes, because a bounce should never be allowed to progress beyond that.
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