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Old 12-17-2024 | 11:23 PM
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Curious what a someone "training to get his pilot's license" was doing on a cargo flight.
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Old 12-18-2024 | 06:26 AM
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Originally Posted by 4dalulz
https://www.kitv.com/news/families-i...e51903b9d.html

Curious what a someone "training to get his pilot's license" was doing on a cargo flight.
Rule 1 is anything in general, local news about aviation is 9 times out of 10 flat wrong, inaccurate, and misleading.

Rule 2 is journalism nowadays is a joke and words are used to invoke emotion and clickbait, not actual facts.

"Training to get his pilot's license" is in itself an extremely general statement and misleading to what the actual situation was. More than likely whoever the "trainee" was, he was already a commercially certified pilot, most likely instrument rated, and on a training flight with the company per their program.
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Old 12-18-2024 | 07:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Beech Dude
Rule 1 is anything in general, local news about aviation is 9 times out of 10 flat wrong, inaccurate, and misleading.

Rule 2 is journalism nowadays is a joke and words are used to invoke emotion and clickbait, not actual facts.

"Training to get his pilot's license" is in itself an extremely general statement and misleading to what the actual situation was. More than likely whoever the "trainee" was, he was already a commercially certified pilot, most likely instrument rated, and on a training flight with the company per their program.

Suppose that's why his name doesn't show up at all in the pilot database.

I guess we'll see - but that place used to do some "odd" stuff 15-20 years back.
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Old 12-18-2024 | 07:36 AM
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Suppose that's why his name doesn't show up at all in the pilot database.
Then I guess he was actually training and this company had him in a program. Unfortunately, they had an incident and have both passed. RIP.
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Old 12-18-2024 | 07:50 AM
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One shows commercial single, multi, instrument rated.
The other shows private pilot issued in 2017.
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Old 12-18-2024 | 09:13 AM
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One shows commercial single, multi, instrument rated.
The other shows private pilot issued in 2017.
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Different spelling than in the news then - must be nice to be doing "commercial training" in a Caravan.
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Old 12-19-2024 | 11:50 AM
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There are significant regulatory issues in a revenue/commerce flight if the person occupying the other front seat is doing so in a pilot role if there is no training program curriculum for that duty position.
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Old 12-19-2024 | 04:57 PM
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Originally Posted by 4dalulz
Different spelling than in the news then - must be nice to be doing "commercial training" in a Caravan.
Doesn't make economic sense. One thing if the right seater/student was a ride along on a 135 cargo flight and involved in some time logging scam.

But using a dedicated caravan for CPL training? Nope.

I'm guessing the media isn't giving us the right info.

Update: Found the correct name: Defries-Saronitman. Legit CPL holder, so presumably doing 135 checkout training for employment.

Smells like something mechanical, no reason to think the pilots are at fault.
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Old 12-19-2024 | 10:01 PM
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Media is typically way off base on many matters.
Scuttlebutt is that he was training for a check out by the Feds for a 135 spot.
Used to be a small mom and pop company flying Beech 18's adding a DC-3 later when that owner died of old age.
Now owned by an investment firm taking the corporate route
with a number of Caravan's and a Sky Courier.
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Old 12-21-2024 | 05:00 PM
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The videos had the appearance of an attempted turn back after a power loss, with the tightness of the descending, low turn just after takeoff.

It used to be a very common thing in 135 for pilots to take their buddies along (and it wasn't that uncommon for "time building" by the guy in the right seat, on the non-rev legs). Some pilots used the empty right seat as a commodity, trading favors, and a few would sell the empty legs...until employers figured out they could do the same.

Whatever the case, reports about aviation in the popular media aren't known for their accurate detail.
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