Frontier PAX Air Rage, Cracks Cabin Window
02-07-2025 | 10:34 AM
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Frontier PAX Air Rage, Cracks Cabin Window
https://abcnews.go.com/US/combative-...y?id=118526210
Kudos to FA's and ABP's.
But I'm going out on a limb here and saying they should have diverted rather than press on for two hours.
Kudos to FA's and ABP's.
But I'm going out on a limb here and saying they should have diverted rather than press on for two hours.
02-07-2025 | 01:25 PM
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https://abcnews.go.com/US/combative-...y?id=118526210
Kudos to FA's and ABP's.
But I'm going out on a limb here and saying they should have diverted rather than press on for two hours.
Kudos to FA's and ABP's.
But I'm going out on a limb here and saying they should have diverted rather than press on for two hours.
02-07-2025 | 01:50 PM
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https://abcnews.go.com/US/combative-...y?id=118526210
Kudos to FA's and ABP's.
But I'm going out on a limb here and saying they should have diverted rather than press on for two hours.
Kudos to FA's and ABP's.
But I'm going out on a limb here and saying they should have diverted rather than press on for two hours.
Diversion seems a little drastic let alone inconvenient for the rest of the passengers.
02-07-2025 | 02:54 PM
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2. The perp is now restrained, and was obviously in some kind of mental state possibly substance-induced. What if he has a medical crisis or dies? It's common enough with restrained perps.
I'm not interested in incurring that kind of liability for either myself or the company over a minor inconvenience. You'd be on your way again in two hours.
Might be worth diverting to a jurisdiction that will actually prosecute.
02-09-2025 | 12:37 PM
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All joking aside, I agree... visible (and possibly invisible) damage: get the metal on the ground. And not just "the nearest suitable airport", but also "the nearest suitable jurisdiction".
02-10-2025 | 06:48 PM
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1. The window was cracked. Remember that SWA? Now I know that the inner liner is just there to keep the next layer from getting scatched, not structural. But the pax don't know that, so you might enable PTSD claims that they were terrified of getting sucked out a broken window for two hours. Also presumably the pilots didn't go back and inspect the window to verify it's structural integrity.
2. The perp is now restrained, and was obviously in some kind of mental state possibly substance-induced. What if he has a medical crisis or dies? It's common enough with restrained perps.
I'm not interested in incurring that kind of liability for either myself or the company over a minor inconvenience. You'd be on your way again in two hours.
Might be worth diverting to a jurisdiction that will actually prosecute.
2. The perp is now restrained, and was obviously in some kind of mental state possibly substance-induced. What if he has a medical crisis or dies? It's common enough with restrained perps.
I'm not interested in incurring that kind of liability for either myself or the company over a minor inconvenience. You'd be on your way again in two hours.
Might be worth diverting to a jurisdiction that will actually prosecute.
Maybe the FO was working day 6 and about to need a 32/7, and about to time out for the day, and most stations with company ops were closed for the night that were on the way.
The usual caveats, we weren't there, nor do we know all the moving parts that were happening.
I would talk to dispatch, see what they think, but I wouldn't be spring loaded to divert, assuming he was under control and posed no active threat to anyone.
02-11-2025 | 08:45 AM
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If the perp only used his fists to bang on the window, I wouldn't have any concern regarding structural integrity.
Maybe the FO was working day 6 and about to need a 32/7, and about to time out for the day, and most stations with company ops were closed for the night that were on the way.
The usual caveats, we weren't there, nor do we know all the moving parts that were happening.
I would talk to dispatch, see what they think, but I wouldn't be spring loaded to divert, assuming he was under control and posed no active threat to anyone.
Maybe the FO was working day 6 and about to need a 32/7, and about to time out for the day, and most stations with company ops were closed for the night that were on the way.
The usual caveats, we weren't there, nor do we know all the moving parts that were happening.
I would talk to dispatch, see what they think, but I wouldn't be spring loaded to divert, assuming he was under control and posed no active threat to anyone.
Personally I'm not shouldering the responsibility for that mess for one minute longer than absolutely necessary. "Operational considerations" (aka $$$) rarely looks like a good excuse to regulators, courts, etc.
I might give dispatch a choice of airports within an 80nm circle.
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