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Peabody17 02-18-2025 03:23 AM

Canadian authorities described the runway as dry, with no crosswind conditions. Yeah right...

drywhitetoast 02-18-2025 03:27 AM


Originally Posted by Turbosina (Post 3883906)
How do you know it wasn't severe windshear? Or loss of elevator authority? Or airframe icing? A hundred different things could have caused this crash, and yet people instantly jump to the conclusion that pilots can't land airplanes. Until the investigation is complete, all this is just pointless speculation.

Dude. You're on APC. Did you expect any less?

sailingfun 02-18-2025 03:35 AM


Originally Posted by Peabody17 (Post 3883915)
Canadian authorities described the runway as dry, with no crosswind conditions. Yeah right...

The latest video does not suggest the crosswind was a issue. For either mechanical or pilot issues there was no flare.

sailingfun 02-18-2025 04:18 AM


Originally Posted by CrazyEight (Post 3883647)
Frangible wing bolts work. Wing detached and burned away from the fuse. Good design.

This is getting repeated quite often since the crash. Do you have a source for this or was the post in jest? I can't even conceive of a manned aircraft with frangible wing attach points.

CincoDeMayo 02-18-2025 04:25 AM

https://x.com/airmainengineer/status...191428/video/1

joepilot50 02-18-2025 04:45 AM


Originally Posted by Poppachubby (Post 3883904)
I 100% feel basic airmanship is the issue. 500' at 110 kts decending at 1100 ft/min. in gusty conditions.......not good! You can see in the video how "squirly" the airplane is prior to touchdown and then see the bottom drop out. They were WAY to slow!

You realize that 110 knots is likely GS, not IAS? With the winds howling as they were, that GS doesn't surprise me at all.

joepilot50 02-18-2025 04:48 AM


Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 3883919)
The latest video does not suggest the crosswind was a issue. For either mechanical or pilot issues there was no flare.

That wasn't the point they were making.

The official was stating conditions which runway was dry and no crosswinds. Runway is 237 degrees, wind was 270 direction. 30 degree crosswind......

May have not played a role in the accident, but to say there was no crosswind at all is a bit of a fib.....

DisMyGamerTag 02-18-2025 04:56 AM

https://x.com/fl360aero/status/1891805600838766911

FliesInSoup 02-18-2025 05:03 AM

Until the investigation determines otherwise, my speculation as to the cause of the incident is unrecoverable windshear. For all we know the thrust was max and pitch was attempted into the flight director, exactly as taught.

Also, any landing you can walk away from...

JackStraw 02-18-2025 05:04 AM


Originally Posted by Turbosina (Post 3883906)
How do you know it wasn't severe windshear? Or loss of elevator authority? Or airframe icing? A hundred different things could have caused this crash, and yet people instantly jump to the conclusion that pilots can't land airplanes. Until the investigation is complete, all this is just pointless speculation.

Yeah right. They got low and slow. Loss of energy and no flare. Was it IOE?


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