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disenchantMINT 02-21-2025 11:06 AM


Originally Posted by Boxhound (Post 3885503)
The cases are Krebs v. Delta Airlines, Inc, D. Minn., No. 0:25-cv-00675, complaint filed 2/21/25 and Lourens v. Delta Air Lines, Inc., N.D. Ga., No. 1:25-cv-00905-SCJ, complaint filed 2/20/25.

There you go sonny


more on the way I’m sure.

"Show your work" rofl *eyeroll*

Looks like Scary Mary is co-counsel on the Krebs suit.

Sliceback 02-21-2025 11:15 AM


Originally Posted by Cruz5350 (Post 3885209)
It’s going to be really weird if roles were changed Im a strong proponent of sticking to one script. It just sets up too many possible issues.

Let's stick to the script that everyone knows is correct. At this point the PF is unknown, the PM is uknown, but the Captain was on the radio. So we suspect that the FO was flying but that's not 100%.

744ButtonPusher 02-21-2025 11:16 AM


Originally Posted by 2StgTurbine (Post 3885444)
The groundspeed was 110 knots though. And the last ADS-B data indicated the decent rate was 450 fpm. Again, the few bits of info we have don't allow us to make any useful conclusions. And the simple fact that you forgot to translate airspeed to groundspeed shows how bad even pilots can be at analyzing those few bits of data.

ground speed is all that matters when it comes to decent rates and glide paths . Airspeed is irrelevant. My comment was in reply to someone who said they couldn’t have had a 12 fps rate of decent and also be on a 3 deg path and that one of those has to be wrong when I fact they could absolutely both be true

LinaPeru 02-21-2025 11:28 AM


Originally Posted by Round Luggage (Post 3885493)
hey no worries, reading too quickly is fine, but speculating a public narrative about her recent experience is not fine.

Final results come out yet? Preliminary results? No. Yeah. This whole forum is public speculation. 90% of APC is bs opinions and speculation.

But, thanks for your forgiveness otherwise.

CBreezy 02-21-2025 11:33 AM


Originally Posted by Boxhound (Post 3885503)
The cases are Krebs v. Delta Airlines, Inc, D. Minn., No. 0:25-cv-00675, complaint filed 2/21/25 and Lourens v. Delta Air Lines, Inc., N.D. Ga., No. 1:25-cv-00905-SCJ, complaint filed 2/20/25.

There you go sonny


more on the way I’m sure.

They were always going to sue. Your comment, about lawyers having a field day, was in response to Delta offering compensation. So how does them offering compensation result in lawyers having a field day

tennisguru 02-21-2025 11:47 AM

I knew that holding onto my old CRJ manual would come in handy some day. As someone who instructed on CRJs (200, 700, and 900) and has over 5000 hours in them, it was always a very bad idea to touch down with the thrust levers not at idle. As you can see from the GLD Deploy parameters, if you skip/bounce with power, you will get 2/3 dashed options. Then if you are airborne and chop the levers to idle that meets the last key trigger and the boards come up and you’re done flying at that point. We actually taught in the sims that if you landed with power and bounced that you either needed to maintain power to touchdown again or initiate a go-around. We stressed that you should never really land with power. Obviously not much of an issue in the 200 but the 7/9 we trained that when you heard the 10 ft RA call out you needed to cut to idle if you weren’t already there.


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Whoopsmybad 02-21-2025 11:49 AM


Originally Posted by Vito (Post 3885479)
Perhaps I explained it too simply. Many of the pilots I fly with in the 757,767 will keep a touch of power in, while flaring, once the main gear touch the ground they will retard the thrust levers to idle. Personally, I like to start my flare , and at about 10 feet, retard to idle and land.

Been on this fleet, never saw what you are saying here.
Not even talked about as a technique.

SomeAv8tor 02-21-2025 12:47 PM


Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 3885450)
I wouldn't even absolutely say that... maybe Mama didn't like him being gone for months, and maybe he just wasn't digging the training grind. Easy enough to go back if you keep seniority. We just don't know (but I suspect he was at DL for a while, which is why I have an allergic reaction to the press release).

And again, just because an old dog can't learn new tricks, doesn't mean he's not competent on an airplane he's flown for years and instructed on.

Yeah I don’t think anyone realizes how good of a gig it is to sit in the sim and live in MSP and drive 20min to work. With their new rates and if you pick up two sim sessions in a day it’s fairly lucrative. Ain’t that special commuting to a junior base. Or even be junior in a senior base. Especially if you’re older.

2StgTurbine 02-21-2025 12:52 PM


Originally Posted by 744ButtonPusher (Post 3885514)
ground speed is all that matters when it comes to decent rates and glide paths . Airspeed is irrelevant. My comment was in reply to someone who said they couldn’t have had a 12 fps rate of decent and also be on a 3 deg path and that one of those has to be wrong when I fact they could absolutely both be true

What you are saying is incorrect. You said 12 fps aligns with a 3 degree descent at 140-145 knots. They weren't at 140-145 knots, so your speculation was incorrect. 12 fps is 720 fpm. The ground speed was 110 knots. To fly a 3 degree glideslope at 110 knots means you are descending at 550 fpm. The ADS-B data at 50 feet agl is 110 knots and 475 fpm. There is no way they were descending at 12 fps as you say AND were on a 3 degree glide path AND had a groundspeed of 110 knots. It almost as if there isn't enough data to come up with insane claims like "their flight path was X degrees" or "their descent rate was X fps."

Lowslung 02-21-2025 01:34 PM


Originally Posted by Whoopsmybad (Post 3885530)
Been on this fleet, never saw what you are saying here.
Not even talked about as a technique.

I’ve been on the fleet too along with several others. On pretty much all of them, it was normal in gusty conditions to leave at least some power on until just before touchdown. I suspect you’re misinterpreting what Vito is getting at.


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