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CGLimits 02-22-2025 10:42 AM


Originally Posted by YLight (Post 3885828)
The feds have been overly permissive for a while. Not many investigators or inspectors would be willing to burn bridges to the private sector. Finance is full of this behavior as well.

The NTSB only gets involved when there is an accident, and when there is one they have to get involved. They are not quite the “feds”. They are an independent agency not related to the FAA at all. They have investigators, but no inspectors. Quite often the NTSB recommends changes in the name of safety that get ignored by the feds…the FAA.

FangsF15 02-22-2025 11:29 AM


Originally Posted by CGLimits (Post 3885831)
The NTSB only gets involved when there is an accident, and when there is one they have to get involved. They are not quite the “feds”. They are an independent agency not related to the FAA at all. They have investigators, but no inspectors. Quite often the NTSB recommends changes in the name of safety that get ignored by the feds…the FAA.

Not entirely accurate. Incidents do not have to be investigated, but they can be. Also, small GA accidents are sometimes not officially investigated.

CVGair 02-22-2025 12:27 PM


Originally Posted by CGLimits (Post 3885747)
When has the NTSB been bribed/blackmailed/influenced? Seriously?

The United Airlines Flight 811 incident on February 24, 1989, the whole initial investigation seems suspect, the father of a deceased doggedly discovered the truth. Don't be so naive to think that bribery, blackmail, and influence do not exist with big companies and big government.

Hotel Kilo 02-22-2025 12:27 PM


Originally Posted by Bazinga (Post 3885671)
What's disputed is that he went back to Endeavor because he failed training. It isn't disputed he flowed to Delta and went back. He's on the Delta seniority list for 3 months in 2022.

Patently false. Folks, just stop with this already. Let the investigation run it's process. Thank you.

P.S. & edit to add - I see Fangs beat me too it. Sorry Fangs, I hadn't gotten to the end of the thread before I saw your related post.

CGLimits 02-22-2025 12:38 PM


Originally Posted by FangsF15 (Post 3885842)
Not entirely accurate. Incidents do not have to be investigated, but they can be. Also, small GA accidents are sometimes not officially investigated.

I said accident, not incident. We are talking about airlines here. If there is an accident, they have to investigate. Entirely accurate.

CGLimits 02-22-2025 12:44 PM


Originally Posted by CVGair (Post 3885852)
The United Airlines Flight 811 incident on February 24, 1989, the whole initial investigation seems suspect, the father of a deceased doggedly discovered the truth. Don't be so naive to think that bribery, blackmail, and influence do not exist with big companies and big government.

I am not naive. I also am not a conspiracy theorist, tin foil wearing, the government is evil kind of guy. 1989, I am not familiar with the bribery, blackmail, and influence to the NTSB related to that accident, but hey…let’s assume it’s true…1989…one…in thirty five years…nothing systemic. I have full confidence in the NTSB. And most of the developed countries look up to the NTSB. Something we should be proud of, not weary of.

Vito 02-22-2025 01:09 PM

Everyone let's just wait for the investigation to be completed.
we will have all the answers in 2 years, after everyone has forgotten what occurred.
SMH.

Nothing wrong with pilots speculating and discussing this accident. After all, nothing we say will affect anything concerning the outcome of the investigation. I can't stand guys who always rush in to remind us how we don't know anything, and to let the investigation reveal caus3s and detailed data. We all know that. But people will opine and speculate.

2StgTurbine 02-22-2025 01:23 PM


Originally Posted by Vito (Post 3885875)
Everyone let's just wait for the investigation to be completed.
we will have all the answers in 2 years, after everyone has forgotten what occurred.
SMH.

Nothing wrong with pilots speculating and discussing this accident. After all, nothing we say will affect anything concerning the outcome of the investigation. I can't stand guys who always rush in to remind us how we don't know anything, and to let the investigation reveal caus3s and detailed data. We all know that. But people will opine and speculate.

It won't be 2 years. The preliminary report will be out in a few weeks. Most pilots don't mind some speculation, but what has occurred on this thread is beyond the normal scope. Some have even said the video gives you all the information you need. It doesn't. The preliminary report will at least give us basic facts to work with rather than have people make judgments on what the winds and descent rate was.

JohnBurke 02-22-2025 01:23 PM


Originally Posted by Vito (Post 3885875)
I can't stand guys who always rush in to remind us how we don't know anything, and to let the investigation reveal caus3s and detailed data. We all know that. But people will opine and speculate.

Of course, becasue nothing says "professional" like baseless speculation and throwing the crew under the bus without any facts in evidence.

Guesswork is always impressive.

Bazinga 02-22-2025 01:40 PM


Originally Posted by Hotel Kilo (Post 3885853)
Patently false. Folks, just stop with this already. Let the investigation run it's process. Thank you.

P.S. & edit to add - I see Fangs beat me too it. Sorry Fangs, I hadn't gotten to the end of the thread before I saw your related post.

What's patently false about what I said?


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