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Old 08-08-2012, 11:09 AM
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Cockpit View Of Idaho Plane Crash Video

He still did a better job then shuttle america crash in CLE, at least he asked if everyone was ok
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I don't think that was the pilot who said that - he looked a little beaten up.

Now I only watched once, but this is what I remember ...

It won't lift off, settles, finally gets off into ground effect but won't climb out of it.

Ham-handing out of ground effect doesn't work either. Hmmm.

Plenty of places to set down, but no, lets hold it here a little while and see if we can climb. (He tried ham-handing it a couple of times more, I think).

Hmmm, still no climb - and here is a stand of trees. I'll just start a turn back.

Oh, yeah, I'm really low with no reserve performance. BANG.

I just can't believe (actually, I can ) just how many safe landing areas (plus a really long runway) he overflew with a known performance problem.

Methinks he got away with this before. This day he was just a bit heavier and/or it was a bit hotter.

Had this been me, heaven forbid, I would have staggered back to the wreck, drained some fuel, lit it off, and tossed both of those cameras into the flames. Along with my license.
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Old 08-08-2012, 12:12 PM
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Wow. What a moron pilot. Lucky to be alive.
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Old 08-08-2012, 01:12 PM
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6400' field elevation, late June in a Stinson with 4 adults... hmm

here's another 108 that came close to the same fate

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BoiPpDeQ2mQ
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Old 08-08-2012, 06:40 PM
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Default Idaho plane crash - Warning Graphic

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yDu0jYiz-v8&feature=plcp

Hope the pilot and pax have a speedy recovery. Not going to comment about the pilots decision to continue the flight but maybe he learned something from this.

Quote from their youtube video - "Due to warming temperatures there was an increase in density altitude and we had a hard time getting adequate lift. After taking off we hit an air pocket that made us rapidly loose altitude, pushing us down into the trees."
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And you thank idiots like this pilot for insurance prices. This video literally made me mad. What a jerk.
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Old 08-08-2012, 08:04 PM
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Scary moments...
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Wow, that was bad. I may not have the rule quite right, but isn't it something like have 90% of your rotate speed by 50% of the field length?
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Old 08-09-2012, 11:10 AM
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The problem is his mixture was full-rich (visible around 0:15 in the video).

At that Density Altitude, I think the mixture should've been pulled out more than 2".
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Old 08-09-2012, 02:53 PM
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Well, the flight didn't go exactly as planned, but you have to admire their adherence to sterile cockpit. I think I would have been chatting up a storm - all words that can't be posted here.....
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